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Well, besides critising about apple being only appealing, without things like the iPhone from Apple, Nokia and all the other phone makers are gonna stick to buttons. At least credit Apple for being a highly innovative company that gives what the people want.



                                  

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Kenoid said:

Well, besides critising about apple being only appealing, without things like the iPhone from Apple, Nokia and all the other phone makers are gonna stick to buttons. At least credit Apple for being a highly innovative company that gives what the people want.


yet nokia sells 41% of all smartphones and growing.



kowenicki said:
Xoj said:
Kenoid said:

Well, besides critising about apple being only appealing, without things like the iPhone from Apple, Nokia and all the other phone makers are gonna stick to buttons. At least credit Apple for being a highly innovative company that gives what the people want.


yet nokia sells 41% of all smartphones and growing.

growing???  

Nokia profits slump 40% in second quarter
Nokia has struggled in the smartphone market

Profits at Finnish mobile phone handset company Nokia slumped by 40% in the second quarter compared with the previous year.

The firm announced profits of a mere 227m euros ($291m; £191m) for the three months ending in June.

Nokia warned last month that it expected its sales and profits figures to fall short of earlier forecasts.

The company has struggled to compete since Apple and Google entered the market with their new smartphones.

Analysis

So Nokia still has a third of the overall mobile phone market, and 41% of the smartphone business. Crisis, what crisis?

But look more closely at the figures and you see the depth of the problem facing the Finnish giant.

The average selling price of a Nokia smartphone fell by 21% on a year ago - Nokia is selling plenty of devices, but they are at the cheap end of the market.

Worse, they have lost what some in the industry refer to as "mindshare" to Apple's iPhone and the Google Android mobile software platform.

Why does this matter? Because Nokia desperately wants to sell services - music, maps, applications - as well as hardware, and high-end phone users are looking elsewhere for clever things to do on their mobiles.

The company says a new family of smartphones, led by the N8, will revive its fortunes at the top end of the market.

But is it too late?

'Mixed bag'

The results saw the company's share price swing violently in a 10% range, first down and then up. It was trading up 3.6% as of midday BST.

Analysts said the second quarter numbers - and Nokia's decision to leave its full-year forecast unchanged - were largely in line with expectations.

"It's a bit of a mixed bag," said Richard Windsor, equity analyst at Nomura. "The margin guidance for [the third quarter] is, I think, quite a lot worse than some people were looking for."

"At the same time, they're more optimistic for the [fourth quarter]," he added. "But that's on the back of a vastly improved smartphone portfolio, and we're not that convinced about that."

Under pressure

The poor results will put increasing pressure on Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, a lifelong Nokia employee and its chief executive since 2006, amid speculation that he may be ousted.

The mobile phone manufacturer has had to issue two profit warnings during the last three months and has already undergone a recent management restructuring.

The company declined to make any comment about Mr Kallasvuo's future.

"There has been a lot of speculation on my position, on myself, during the last couple of weeks and that is not good for Nokia and must be brought to an end one way or another," the chief executive told CNBC.

Shrinking margins

The company reported a 1% increase in overall revenues to 10m euros, helped by an 8% rise in the volume of mobile device sales.

However, profit margins at the important "devices and services" unit, which produces the company's handsets, were squeezed to 9.5% in the quarter from 12.2% a year ago, as the company was forced to cut its prices to compete.

This resulted in a 19% fall in the division's underlying operating profits.




that's profits, nokia holds 41% of the smartphone marketshare thats more than apple, blackberry, windowsmobile put together, it have a small grow of 1-2% in the quarter. it was 39-40%

what dropped was profits but they still profit alot compared to other companies.



Xoj said:
Kenoid said:

Well, besides critising about apple being only appealing, without things like the iPhone from Apple, Nokia and all the other phone makers are gonna stick to buttons. At least credit Apple for being a highly innovative company that gives what the people want.


yet nokia sells 41% of all smartphones and growing.

False.

Nokias market share is not increasing.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/google-android-smacks-down-windows-mobile-in-latest-gartner-data/3829

Symbian is down 4% year over year in terms of overall market share for Q1 2009 to Q1 2010.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Symbian-Is-Loosing-Market-Share-Fast-Gartner-Says-147327.shtml



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Xoj said:
kowenicki said:

Trust me I am NO apple fan.. but I also dont just repeat what the press say as you appear to be doing.. ever actually witnessed this yourself... ?


it a fact, its  on all sites, apple giving free bumpers too all iphone users.

Like, zomg, it's on the Internet, so it must be true!!!!!  Just like the "fact" that only 20% Android users  wanted another Android phone (as opposed to 77% of iPhone users wanting another iPhone).  The web favours sensational news, not accurate news.



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ebw said:
Xoj said:
kowenicki said:

Trust me I am NO apple fan.. but I also dont just repeat what the press say as you appear to be doing.. ever actually witnessed this yourself... ?


it a fact, its  on all sites, apple giving free bumpers too all iphone users.

Like, zomg, it's on the Internet, so it must be true!!!!!  Just like the "fact" that only 20% Android users  wanted another Android phone (as opposed to 77% of iPhone users wanting another iPhone).  The web favours sensational news, not accurate news.


from artechnica, and apple have aknowledge the problem, but they are not saying sorry or fixing it, rather found a patch. giving free bumpers.  apple even start a petty defense other phones have the problem too but then my n900 never have drop me a call and most phone in their test don't either



Xoj said:
ebw said:
Xoj said:
kowenicki said:

Trust me I am NO apple fan.. but I also dont just repeat what the press say as you appear to be doing.. ever actually witnessed this yourself... ?


it a fact, its  on all sites, apple giving free bumpers too all iphone users.

Like, zomg, it's on the Internet, so it must be true!!!!!  Just like the "fact" that only 20% Android users  wanted another Android phone (as opposed to 77% of iPhone users wanting another iPhone).  The web favours sensational news, not accurate news.


from artechnica, and apple have aknowledge the problem, but they are not saying sorry or fixing it, rather found a patch. giving free bumpers.  apple even start a petty defense other phones have the problem too but then my n900 never have drop me a call and most phone in their test don't either

Could you explain why your anecdotal evidence is somehow worth more than that of the scores of iPhone 4 owners who also never have dropped calls?  There are a heck of a lot more iPhone 4s out there than N900s, and the vast majority of users report superior antenna performance to previous iPhones.  The original AnandTech article that attempted to quantify the issue recognized this fact, saying that the new iPhone did a far better job of holding on to weak signals.

Apple acknowledged that there is a perceived problem, not that there is a design problem with the phone (as opposed to, say, the network or a manufacturing glitch, or simply a trade-off for a stronger antenna overall).  They are working continuously to understand the true cause, including visiting problematic customers' homes with testing equipment (did you actually watch the press conference?).  It is absolutely true that iPhone 4 is dropping more calls than iPhone 3GS, but it is also true that few iPhone 4s have cases while a large proportion of 3GSs do.  One goal of the bumper giveaway is to balance this inequity, so as to make a fair comparison possible.  This is how one goes about doing science.

The only evidence people needed to concoct this Antennagate was a few YouTube videos, and Apple's "petty" defense shows that this evidence is utterly uncompelling (before seeing the videos of other phones, it sure seemed strong to me).  Once the news made it onto the blogosphere, everyone started looking for it, even though there was no compelling reason to.  So where, then, is the actual evidence?  (Hint: it is not so easy to collect good statistics on a complex problem that has been compromised by widespread media coverage.)



The problem with Nokia is they aren't having growth in areas where they make more profit. Both Apple and Google have gone from zero, to being the major players in 3 years AND making big profit (at least for Apple). Another big problem is that Nokia isn't really bringing any new ideas to market, their products seem more iterative than innovative.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

ebw said:
Xoj said:
ebw said:
Xoj said:
kowenicki said:

Trust me I am NO apple fan.. but I also dont just repeat what the press say as you appear to be doing.. ever actually witnessed this yourself... ?


it a fact, its  on all sites, apple giving free bumpers too all iphone users.

Like, zomg, it's on the Internet, so it must be true!!!!!  Just like the "fact" that only 20% Android users  wanted another Android phone (as opposed to 77% of iPhone users wanting another iPhone).  The web favours sensational news, not accurate news.


from artechnica, and apple have aknowledge the problem, but they are not saying sorry or fixing it, rather found a patch. giving free bumpers.  apple even start a petty defense other phones have the problem too but then my n900 never have drop me a call and most phone in their test don't either

Could you explain why your anecdotal evidence is somehow worth more than that of the scores of iPhone 4 owners who also never have dropped calls?  There are a heck of a lot more iPhone 4s out there than N900s, and the vast majority of users report superior antenna performance to previous iPhones.  The original AnandTech article that attempted to quantify the issue recognized this fact, saying that the new iPhone did a far better job of holding on to weak signals.

Apple acknowledged that there is a perceived problem, not that there is a design problem with the phone (as opposed to, say, the network or a manufacturing glitch, or simply a trade-off for a stronger antenna overall).  They are working continuously to understand the true cause, including visiting problematic customers' homes with testing equipment (did you actually watch the press conference?).  It is absolutely true that iPhone 4 is dropping more calls than iPhone 3GS, but it is also true that few iPhone 4s have cases while a large proportion of 3GSs do.  One goal of the bumper giveaway is to balance this inequity, so as to make a fair comparison possible.  This is how one goes about doing science.

The only evidence people needed to concoct this Antennagate was a few YouTube videos, and Apple's "petty" defense shows that this evidence is utterly uncompelling (before seeing the videos of other phones, it sure seemed strong to me).  Once the news made it onto the blogosphere, everyone started looking for it, even though there was no compelling reason to.  So where, then, is the actual evidence?  (Hint: it is not so easy to collect good statistics on a complex problem that has been compromised by widespread media coverage.)


the thing other phones dont drop calls, seriously n97 apple did they totally squishy the phone in a closed room and it only dropped 1 bar O_o. iphone drops calls with a simple touch. even worse when low signals like in a tunnel or far way from a tower.

there is evidence, just goto mobile review, or any respetable phone reviewer



Well, the antennae issue is easily fixable compared to most other problems. And it's not like Apple is the only company ever had problems with a product, just about every company does at some point. Sony had exploding batteries. Microsoft had RROD. Nintendo had the lens issue. Heck, I could come up with examples all day.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.