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oldschoolfool on 25 July 2010
Kasz216 said:
oldschoolfool said:
tehsage said:
superchunk said:
tehsage said:

Can someone here explain to me why I'm required to help someone if they need help? Let's just assume he wasn't on the clock and being paid. 

 

Why is this man "required" to give aid to anyone if he isn't being rewarded for it?


Its called human decency and utilizing the medical training you have been taught. That is why medical officials take an oath to always help if possible. Given the info we know, it seems to be entirely possible that these two had limited EMT medical training and should have at least taken a look to see what they could do. The reward is seeing that person get up and live. Your statements really define a poor attitude towards life and humanity in general.


I don't see how this benefits me in any way, shape, or form? He lives another day? So what? What does that have to do with me? Look, if this man was on the clock and such and didn't do his job, I can understand why people were upset with him. He was being paid and didn't do his job! Plain and simple!

 

However, if he was off the clock and on his own, there is absolutely no reason he is /required/ to save peoples lives despite his abilities. I don't understand how anyone can say he "deserved" to die because of this.

 

I still don't understand your reward line, though. I mean, I guess I could use it as a pickup line and say "Hey girl, I saved that mans life. Fuck me!" but I don't think that's the kind of reward you're referring to. 

It's not about how it's suppose to benefit you. It's about human dencency and doing the right thing. If one of your family member's are close freind's were in pain are hurting,would'nt you hope that someone would help and save them,regardless of what that person was doing at the time. I also blame the society in which we live in,there's so much violence and crime in the world,that nobody want's to do anything outside there comfort zone. That's just the cynical society in which we live in I guess.

I wouldn't call forcing someone to do something via law human decency.

I would HOPE someone would help someone who was injured... however to FORCE someone to help someone who is injured is a grave violation of human rights.

Again, I go back to the world we live in today. We as a society should'nt be forced to help somone who is injured,we should want to help someone in need. I agree that there should'nt be a law forcing you to help someone,as that fringes on your rights.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 25 July 2010

i'm not sure wht to say about the women? 

but i will say no one has the right to take a life!



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Tanstalas on 25 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the comment by the FDNY spokesperson

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_duo_on_break_let_preg_mom_die_mrj8Jv8kjmS0Z3FNO4DmiL

And in case you don't want to go to link this is what he said......

"All of our members take an oath to assist others in need of emergency medical aid. They have a duty to act when called," said FDNY spokesman Steve Ritea.

So YES he HAD to help.


Did you ignore my post from before where it said that he did not have to help unless he was "on the clock"?



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Xbbjf9s on 25 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the comment by the FDNY spokesperson

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_duo_on_break_let_preg_mom_die_mrj8Jv8kjmS0Z3FNO4DmiL

And in case you don't want to go to link this is what he said......

"All of our members take an oath to assist others in need of emergency medical aid. They have a duty to act when called," said FDNY spokesman Steve Ritea.

So YES he HAD to help.


Did you ignore my post from before where it said that he did not have to help unless he was "on the clock"?


umm did you not read wht the spokesman said? The oath is regardless of on the clock...the asshole was obviously in uniform..the spokesmans comment really wraps up the "on the clock" debate. We have a friend in the family that is a cop, he said that if something happens wether they are on the clock or not they HAVE to help...in the oath, part of the job.



oldschoolfool on 25 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the comment by the FDNY spokesperson

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_duo_on_break_let_preg_mom_die_mrj8Jv8kjmS0Z3FNO4DmiL

And in case you don't want to go to link this is what he said......

"All of our members take an oath to assist others in need of emergency medical aid. They have a duty to act when called," said FDNY spokesman Steve Ritea.

So YES he HAD to help.


Did you ignore my post from before where it said that he did not have to help unless he was "on the clock"?

Again,he did'nt have to help,but  he should have. That's like a cop witnessing a robbery and doing nothing about it. So if a doctor saw that you were in serious pain and on the brink of death,he should'nt even bother helping you if so called doctor was off the clock. Would'nt you hope that person would come to your aid?



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Tanstalas on 25 July 2010

Certified persons have NO authority or responsibility to respond independently. In NY there is no duty to act as an individual citizen, regardless of certification or licensure. Individuals may respond only as a part of an authorized agency’s response system and within an EMS system.

 

Source: http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/ems/pdf/98-05.pdf 

Right from their website.  Granted the document is 12 years old and it may have changed, but I put the onus on you to find a newer document that says they are obligated to act.



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Tanstalas on 25 July 2010
oldschoolfool said:
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the comment by the FDNY spokesperson

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_duo_on_break_let_preg_mom_die_mrj8Jv8kjmS0Z3FNO4DmiL

And in case you don't want to go to link this is what he said......

"All of our members take an oath to assist others in need of emergency medical aid. They have a duty to act when called," said FDNY spokesman Steve Ritea.

So YES he HAD to help.


Did you ignore my post from before where it said that he did not have to help unless he was "on the clock"?

Again,he did'nt have to help,but  he should have. That's like a cop witnessing a robbery and doing nothing about it. So if a doctor saw that you were in serious pain and on the brink of death,he should'nt even bother helping you if so called doctor was off the clock. Would'nt you hope that person would come to your aid?

If you read my previous posts I have said time and again that I do not argue with that fact, I only take offence to you guys saying he HAS to help.



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Xbbjf9s on 25 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
oldschoolfool said:
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the comment by the FDNY spokesperson

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_duo_on_break_let_preg_mom_die_mrj8Jv8kjmS0Z3FNO4DmiL

And in case you don't want to go to link this is what he said......

"All of our members take an oath to assist others in need of emergency medical aid. They have a duty to act when called," said FDNY spokesman Steve Ritea.

So YES he HAD to help.


Did you ignore my post from before where it said that he did not have to help unless he was "on the clock"?

Again,he did'nt have to help,but  he should have. That's like a cop witnessing a robbery and doing nothing about it. So if a doctor saw that you were in serious pain and on the brink of death,he should'nt even bother helping you if so called doctor was off the clock. Would'nt you hope that person would come to your aid?

If you read my previous posts I have said time and again that I do not argue with that fact, I only take offence to you guys saying he HAS to help.

Well I see no reason for the FDNY spokesman to lie about that.



Tanstalas on 25 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the comment by the FDNY spokesperson

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_duo_on_break_let_preg_mom_die_mrj8Jv8kjmS0Z3FNO4DmiL

And in case you don't want to go to link this is what he said......

"All of our members take an oath to assist others in need of emergency medical aid. They have a duty to act when called," said FDNY spokesman Steve Ritea.

So YES he HAD to help.


Did you ignore my post from before where it said that he did not have to help unless he was "on the clock"?


umm did you not read wht the spokesman said? The oath is regardless of on the clock...the asshole was obviously in uniform..the spokesmans comment really wraps up the "on the clock" debate. We have a friend in the family that is a cop, he said that if something happens wether they are on the clock or not they HAVE to help...in the oath, part of the job.


You believe everything that spokespeople say?  So, all the tobacco lobbyists years ago saying smoking tobacco products were not harmful to your health must be right then?

I could probably come up with a dozen or so relative "spokesman" posts for modern day things as well, I'm just too lazy at the moment.  If you believe everything a spokesperson says then, well, sir you are very gullible.



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Tanstalas on 25 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Tanstalas said:
oldschoolfool said:
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:

Read the comment by the FDNY spokesperson

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/emt_duo_on_break_let_preg_mom_die_mrj8Jv8kjmS0Z3FNO4DmiL

And in case you don't want to go to link this is what he said......

"All of our members take an oath to assist others in need of emergency medical aid. They have a duty to act when called," said FDNY spokesman Steve Ritea.

So YES he HAD to help.


Did you ignore my post from before where it said that he did not have to help unless he was "on the clock"?

Again,he did'nt have to help,but  he should have. That's like a cop witnessing a robbery and doing nothing about it. So if a doctor saw that you were in serious pain and on the brink of death,he should'nt even bother helping you if so called doctor was off the clock. Would'nt you hope that person would come to your aid?

If you read my previous posts I have said time and again that I do not argue with that fact, I only take offence to you guys saying he HAS to help.

Well I see no reason for the FDNY spokesman to lie about that.

Maybe he wasn't lying, maybe he was mistaken, maybe you took it out of context, maybe he meant if the person is "on the clock" then he has an obligation to help.  My previous post from a few days ago said that.  If he is getting paid then YES he has an obligation to help and render assistance.  If he is in uniform and he is not actually working, then according to the post a few days ago then NO he doesn't need to help.



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