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Kasz216 on 21 July 2010
Euphoria14 said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
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dsister said:
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... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.

My girlfriend says she is not sure on how it works for EMT's, but in the state of NY Nurses and the like are pretty much obligated to help and seeing how one of these guys is from Long Island (where I live) I am sure he probably fell under the same laws that she now does.

That's just... bizare.  Never heard of a law like that.


not law, it comes with the job...they HAVE to help, part of their oath.

Also forgot to add that you are 100% correct. 

Let us say that Kasz is an EMT and is on an off day and he happens to have an incident happen right down the block from his home, hearing that someone was stabbed, shot, etc... he would then be obligated as part of his job to treck his ass down the street and see if he could provide any kind of medical attention for the victim until the paramedics arrive.

 

This EMT who was killed, he was in the same damn place as this woman and part of his job was to help her. Instead he chose to be an asshole and walk away saying "Call 911" even though the people who would have come are the same as him, the person who was probably no more than 10 feet away.

Due to his laziness a woman died as well as a prematurely born child.

 

I am disgusted at the fact that he got to keep his job. We have many people in the US willing to work their asses off for a job right now and we keep negligent asses like him... -_-

If it was me... I'd definitly go out there and help.  Well I wouldn't, because I'd never be an EMT because I suck with biology and dealing with injuries and bleeding and all that... when there are emergenices though I do go out of my way to help.

I just find it odd that people are forced to do work off the clock... or even if you do get to claim that as time worked that you are somewhat "short changed" in that you don't get regular shift hours.

Sounds lke a labor dispute waiting to happen. 

 

Would i be happy if it ever benefits me?  Yeah probably, but most people would feel that way about any number of immoral acts. 

Heck if I was dieing because i needed a new liver and they took part of one from someone serving a life sentence in jail i'd be happy.  Cause i'd be alive.  I still would think it was wrong though.

Forcing someone to act off duty seems immoral.  It's basically slave labor unless you can claim money for said services.  (Not helping also immoral, but basing laws around immorality is wrong... even if it prevents a "greater" immoral act.)



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Kasz216 on 21 July 2010
Tuganuno said:

Using the "lawsuits" as an argument is ridiculous. First of all, nothing guarantees you that he would get charged or that he'd do anything negligent. EVEN IF we could consider that as a certain possibility, what kind of court would charge him? He was on a break, off duty, correct? Then he would be just another man helping a sick woman. And if we get charged for helping the fellowman, when nobody else can, then in that day we can officially say our world is completely fucked up.

Besides, if you're an EMT they you should at the least care about people enough to help a dying pregnant woman. Wait, let me rephrase that. If you're a decent human being you should at least care about people enough to help a dying pregnant woman... even if that means delaying your precious snack time >_>


It's happened... many times before.  People getting sued for saving other peoples lives.   Like many MANY times before.  The thing is... a LOT of people act negativly towards people who are in tight spots and/or injured etc... because they just hate the idea that they were in such a situation and get angry at themselves they were in such situations and get mad and lash out at others... and often the person who saved them, blaming any injuries they did sustain on them, rather then being happy they are alive.



NiKKoM on 21 July 2010

So the EMT was with his EMT partner when it happend... so they are saying 2 EMT's didn't help? that's hard to believe.. probably more a case of miscommunication from the part of the people who were asking for help and now the are angry that the women and child died..



 

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Rath on 21 July 2010

I find it stupid that in America there is even the possibility of being sued if you tried to help somebody who needed CPR. I'm glad I don't live in such a litiguous (sp?) society.



Seece on 21 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Well, I'm not in YOUR Country, now am I?

I don't give a crap where you are, you asked me a question and I replied.



 

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Tanstalas on 21 July 2010
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Well, I'm not in YOUR Country, now am I?

I don't give a crap where you are, you asked me a question and I replied.

I was talking about NYC in the paragraph above... ok then..

If you were in the USA: Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?



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Seece on 21 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Well, I'm not in YOUR Country, now am I?

I don't give a crap where you are, you asked me a question and I replied.

I was talking about NYC in the paragraph above... ok then..

If you were in the USA: Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

distress=/life and death.

If I saw a pregnant woman in THAT kind of situation, yes I would help. Losing whatever amount of money VS saving a pregnant woman from dying ... you need to question yourself if the answer isn't obvious.



 

Xbbjf9s on 21 July 2010
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Well, I'm not in YOUR Country, now am I?

I don't give a crap where you are, you asked me a question and I replied.

I was talking about NYC in the paragraph above... ok then..

If you were in the USA: Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

distress=/life and death.

If I saw a pregnant woman in THAT kind of situation, yes I would help. Losing whatever amount of money VS saving a pregnant woman from dying ... you need to question yourself if the answer isn't obvious.

I agree and though our country can be ridiculous with lawsuits, no judge would award money in that type of situation.



Tanstalas on 21 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Seece said:

distress=/life and death.

If I saw a pregnant woman in THAT kind of situation, yes I would help. Losing whatever amount of money VS saving a pregnant woman from dying ... you need to question yourself if the answer isn't obvious.

I agree and though our country can be ridiculous with lawsuits, no judge would award money in that type of situation.


Well when the  Alexandra Van Horn lawsuit is decided we can see if you are right Xbbjf9s

@Seece - I guess I need to question myself then.  I guess I am more cynical than you.



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Xbbjf9s on 21 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Seece said:

distress=/life and death.

If I saw a pregnant woman in THAT kind of situation, yes I would help. Losing whatever amount of money VS saving a pregnant woman from dying ... you need to question yourself if the answer isn't obvious.

I agree and though our country can be ridiculous with lawsuits, no judge would award money in that type of situation.


Well when the  Alexandra Van Horn lawsuit is decided we can see if you are right Xbbjf9s

@Seece - I guess I need to question myself then.  I guess I am more cynical than you.

just read the story, there is something really wrong with this country...if she wins this will change our society for the worse, guess I should get that gun I wanted.