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Kasz216 on 20 July 2010
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.

My girlfriend says she is not sure on how it works for EMT's, but in the state of NY Nurses and the like are pretty much obligated to help and seeing how one of these guys is from Long Island (where I live) I am sure he probably fell under the same laws that she now does.

That's just... bizare.  Never heard of a law like that.



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Xbbjf9s on 20 July 2010
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

I am pretty sure that as an EMT or anyone with a license to perform CPR, etc... you are obligated to help out someone in need of medical help. If not you could lose your job and/or license.


you are, my friends brother is an EMT. They are on duty at ALL times, that is why he was suspened without pay



Xbbjf9s on 20 July 2010
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.

My girlfriend says she is not sure on how it works for EMT's, but in the state of NY Nurses and the like are pretty much obligated to help and seeing how one of these guys is from Long Island (where I live) I am sure he probably fell under the same laws that she now does.

That's just... bizare.  Never heard of a law like that.


not law, it comes with the job...they HAVE to help, part of their oath.



Euphoria14 on 20 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.

My girlfriend says she is not sure on how it works for EMT's, but in the state of NY Nurses and the like are pretty much obligated to help and seeing how one of these guys is from Long Island (where I live) I am sure he probably fell under the same laws that she now does.

That's just... bizare.  Never heard of a law like that.


not law, it comes with the job...they HAVE to help, part of their oath.


If I read this story right the woman who died was in the same place as these EMTs?

If so I believe they should not have been suspended, but fired from their jobs for not obeying the oath they swore to when they accepted their jobs.



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Euphoria14 on 20 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.

My girlfriend says she is not sure on how it works for EMT's, but in the state of NY Nurses and the like are pretty much obligated to help and seeing how one of these guys is from Long Island (where I live) I am sure he probably fell under the same laws that she now does.

That's just... bizare.  Never heard of a law like that.


not law, it comes with the job...they HAVE to help, part of their oath.

Also forgot to add that you are 100% correct. 

Let us say that Kasz is an EMT and is on an off day and he happens to have an incident happen right down the block from his home, hearing that someone was stabbed, shot, etc... he would then be obligated as part of his job to treck his ass down the street and see if he could provide any kind of medical attention for the victim until the paramedics arrive.

 

This EMT who was killed, he was in the same damn place as this woman and part of his job was to help her. Instead he chose to be an asshole and walk away saying "Call 911" even though the people who would have come are the same as him, the person who was probably no more than 10 feet away.

Due to his laziness a woman died as well as a prematurely born child.

 

I am disgusted at the fact that he got to keep his job. We have many people in the US willing to work their asses off for a job right now and we keep negligent asses like him... -_-



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Xbbjf9s on 20 July 2010
Euphoria14 said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.

My girlfriend says she is not sure on how it works for EMT's, but in the state of NY Nurses and the like are pretty much obligated to help and seeing how one of these guys is from Long Island (where I live) I am sure he probably fell under the same laws that she now does.

That's just... bizare.  Never heard of a law like that.


not law, it comes with the job...they HAVE to help, part of their oath.


If I read this story right the woman who died was in the same place as these EMTs?

If so I believe they should not have been suspended, but fired from their jobs for not obeying the oath they swore to when they accepted their jobs.


yeah she was in the bathroom, had to be no more than 30ft away



Tanstalas on 20 July 2010
Euphoria14 said:
Also forgot to add that you are 100% correct. 

Let us say that Kasz is an EMT and is on an off day and he happens to have an incident happen right down the block from his home, hearing that someone was stabbed, shot, etc... he would then be obligated as part of his job to treck his ass down the street and see if he could provide any kind of medical attention for the victim until the paramedics arrive.

 

This EMT who was killed, he was in the same damn place as this woman and part of his job was to help her. Instead he chose to be an asshole and walk away saying "Call 911" even though the people who would have come are the same as him, the person who was probably no more than 10 feet away.

Due to his laziness a woman died as well as a prematurely born child.

 

I am disgusted at the fact that he got to keep his job. We have many people in the US willing to work their asses off for a job right now and we keep negligent asses like him... -_-

Just seems... odd to me that you HAVE to help...



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Euphoria14 on 20 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Euphoria14 said:
Also forgot to add that you are 100% correct. 

Let us say that Kasz is an EMT and is on an off day and he happens to have an incident happen right down the block from his home, hearing that someone was stabbed, shot, etc... he would then be obligated as part of his job to treck his ass down the street and see if he could provide any kind of medical attention for the victim until the paramedics arrive.

 

This EMT who was killed, he was in the same damn place as this woman and part of his job was to help her. Instead he chose to be an asshole and walk away saying "Call 911" even though the people who would have come are the same as him, the person who was probably no more than 10 feet away.

Due to his laziness a woman died as well as a prematurely born child.

 

I am disgusted at the fact that he got to keep his job. We have many people in the US willing to work their asses off for a job right now and we keep negligent asses like him... -_-

Just seems... odd to me that you HAVE to help...


It only seems odd to you because you most likely do not work in the medical field.

When you take a job like this you take an oath, one that requires you to help whenever you are available to help, whether it be an accident on the expressway, a violence crime in your neighborhood or even an injury of someone at your workplace.

This oath makes you obligated to provide any medical attention you can to insure that these people are alright until the paramedics arrive.

 

Some here may think that is extreme, but when you one day end up in that kind of situation you will be eternally thankful that something that like is set in place, or else an EMT, Nurse, Doctor, etc... could just walk away from you as you lay dying, injured in a car waiting for assistance, etc...

So like I said, be thankful that *many*, not all of the people working in this field obey the oath they swore to.



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Xbbjf9s on 20 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Euphoria14 said:
Also forgot to add that you are 100% correct. 

Let us say that Kasz is an EMT and is on an off day and he happens to have an incident happen right down the block from his home, hearing that someone was stabbed, shot, etc... he would then be obligated as part of his job to treck his ass down the street and see if he could provide any kind of medical attention for the victim until the paramedics arrive.

 

This EMT who was killed, he was in the same damn place as this woman and part of his job was to help her. Instead he chose to be an asshole and walk away saying "Call 911" even though the people who would have come are the same as him, the person who was probably no more than 10 feet away.

Due to his laziness a woman died as well as a prematurely born child.

 

I am disgusted at the fact that he got to keep his job. We have many people in the US willing to work their asses off for a job right now and we keep negligent asses like him... -_-

Just seems... odd to me that you HAVE to help...


If he didn't want to save lives then he shouldn't have been an EMT. How many times do off duty cops do their job when they aren't in uniform?



Tanstalas on 20 July 2010

Found this:

http://theemtspot.com/2009/06/23/what-is-the-duty-to-act/

 

What if I’m not on the clock but I am in uniform? While your failure to act in an emergency may reflect poorly on your organization and stir some public outrage, there is no legal tenant that links your attire to your duty to act. The law could basically care less what your wearing, they care if your being compensated.

Basically says if you aren't being "paid" then you don't need to help

Though I'm unfamiliar with US laws, and each state probably has their own laws



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