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Gnizmo on 19 July 2010
Seece said:

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


No, it doesn't. I know a nurse who lost her career because she did everything right, put in more effort than could ever be asked, and due to a horrific twist of fate and genetic defects had a new born baby die after taking one breath. The family sued and harassed her despite never having a single shred of evidence that she did anything remotely wrong. Life is never so simple as it should be.



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Rath on 20 July 2010
Tanstalas said:

Also, kinda going off topic, this was discussed on the radio I listen to awhile ago, if you WERE trained in first aid and you saw someone on the street unconscious and NOT breathing, and you knew CPR would you give them mouth to mouth if you saw they had sores around their mouth (read:herpes)

I wouldn't.

And you can call me insensitive or whatever :P

Actually I'm pretty sure that a lot of current advice on the matter advocates not giving mouth-to-mouth in any case as it makes it less likely to succeed than only doing compressions. Have a read a bit down in the 'compression only CPR' section of the wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiopulmonary_resuscitation

Also makes it more likely people will perform CPR, so it's win-win =P



Seece on 20 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.



 

Tanstalas on 20 July 2010
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Well, I'm not in YOUR Country, now am I?



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Xbbjf9s on 20 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Well, I'm not in YOUR Country, now am I?

lol



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Euphoria14 on 20 July 2010
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

I am pretty sure that as an EMT or anyone with a license to perform CPR, etc... you are obligated to help out someone in need of medical help. If not you could lose your job and/or license.



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Kasz216 on 20 July 2010
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.



Euphoria14 on 20 July 2010
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

what do you mean from the first line?

Also the Good Samartin Law would have protected him from lawsuits in case of any wrong doing.

I mean, it's in a court of law.  It has nothing to do with day to day being judged.  You can often be treated guilty without proven in outside of a court of law.  For example if something goes missing at an office and they're pretty sure it was you who took it they can fire you.

Innocent until proven guilty is only used that way because the other way would be more unfair when it comes to harsh legal penalties.

As for good samartian laws.  They vary from state to state and are disgarded if it's considered the person acted "recklessly.

My girlfriend says she is not sure on how it works for EMT's, but in the state of NY Nurses and the like are pretty much obligated to help and seeing how one of these guys is from Long Island (where I live) I am sure he probably fell under the same laws that she now does.



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Kasz216 on 20 July 2010
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Not sure if that's actually true... from what i've read you can sue resucuers for "Assault and battery" and many other things so long as they do it without getting your consent first.  (Which if your unconsious...)

I mean i'd guess this is for the UK.



superchunk on 20 July 2010

Sounds like the two incidents were unrelated, but yeah, he doesn't deserve to be in society. Hope his partner goes to jail for the first crime.