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Mr Puggsly on 17 July 2010
BBH said:

'Sony have to pull something out of the cupboard quickly'

- Well MS did this exact thing with their actual console.


Well Sony just blatantly ripped off the WIi.

MS actually created an original console. Unfortunately they used shit hardware that failed often. But Sony's quality hardware didn't benefit them financially (and they still have a pretty high failrate).

Both HD consoles have been a disaster.



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chocoloco on 17 July 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
BBH said:

'Sony have to pull something out of the cupboard quickly'

- Well MS did this exact thing with their actual console.


Well Sony just blatantly ripped off the WIi.

MS actually created an original console. Unfortunately they used shit hardware that failed often. But Sony's quality hardware didn't benefit them financially (and they still have a pretty high failrate).

Both HD consoles have been a disaster.

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.



Seece on 17 July 2010
chocoloco said:
Mr Puggsly said:
BBH said:

'Sony have to pull something out of the cupboard quickly'

- Well MS did this exact thing with their actual console.


Well Sony just blatantly ripped off the WIi.

MS actually created an original console. Unfortunately they used shit hardware that failed often. But Sony's quality hardware didn't benefit them financially (and they still have a pretty high failrate).

Both HD consoles have been a disaster.

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.

Sega, I don't know much about, but Nintendo have always made a profit on their consoles.

360 and PS3 have been money pits, PS3 moreso losing over $5 billion , 360 losing $1.5 billion including the RROD losses.


Edit - Yeah anyway what I meant is, I can see how both are seen as a disaster, because of the billions they've lost, which at the end of the day, however great the console and games, losing that much is awful.



 

Khuutra on 17 July 2010
Seece said:
chocoloco said:

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.

Sega, I don't know much about, but Nintendo have always made a profit on their consoles.

360 and PS3 have been money pits, PS3 moreso losing over $5 billion , 360 losing $1.5 billion including the RROD losses.


Edit - Yeah anyway what I meant is, I can see how both are seen as a disaster, because of the billions they've lost, which at the end of the day, however great the console and games, losing that much is awful.

I think you can argue that the 360 isn't really a disaster, since its intent wasn't to make money (I think) so much as it was to headbutt Sony over and over. Microsoft was helped substantially by both Nintendo and Sony on this point, but if all they're trying to do is beat Sony into submission then I think they're doing pretty well for themselves.

And SEGA had a few really bad years.



Seece on 17 July 2010
Khuutra said:
Seece said:
chocoloco said:

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.

Sega, I don't know much about, but Nintendo have always made a profit on their consoles.

360 and PS3 have been money pits, PS3 moreso losing over $5 billion , 360 losing $1.5 billion including the RROD losses.


Edit - Yeah anyway what I meant is, I can see how both are seen as a disaster, because of the billions they've lost, which at the end of the day, however great the console and games, losing that much is awful.

I think you can argue that the 360 isn't really a disaster, since its intent wasn't to make money (I think) so much as it was to headbutt Sony over and over. Microsoft was helped substantially by both Nintendo and Sony on this point, but if all they're trying to do is beat Sony into submission then I think they're doing pretty well for themselves.

And SEGA had a few really bad years.

TBH, I think Microsoft's worries about Sony taking over the living room/PC area (I think that's the reason MS got in on this business) were ... misguided?

I think they knew they were releasing a faulty product, and knew they would ave to shell out big time and pay the price. But they became profitable in late 07/early 08 if memory serves me right, for Microsoft this is some feat.

And now we're looking at them making $1 billion in one fiscal year, and the 670 Million from the previous 2 fiscal years, they're doing well. The 360 should be a profitable venture for Microsoft by end of 2012 all going well, so I guess that and the fact by how much marketshare headway Microsoft has made, and the increased strength of the xbox brand, means 360 is a success, I want to wait a little while longer before saying that though ...

PS3? .. well I aint even going there



 

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chocoloco on 17 July 2010
Seece said:
chocoloco said:
Mr Puggsly said:
BBH said:

'Sony have to pull something out of the cupboard quickly'

- Well MS did this exact thing with their actual console.


Well Sony just blatantly ripped off the WIi.

MS actually created an original console. Unfortunately they used shit hardware that failed often. But Sony's quality hardware didn't benefit them financially (and they still have a pretty high failrate).

Both HD consoles have been a disaster.

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.

Sega, I don't know much about, but Nintendo have always made a profit on their consoles.

360 and PS3 have been money pits, PS3 moreso losing over $5 billion , 360 losing $1.5 billion including the RROD losses.


Edit - Yeah anyway what I meant is, I can see how both are seen as a disaster, because of the billions they've lost, which at the end of the day, however great the console and games, losing that much is awful.


This would be fine if that was made clear that he was talking about profit. A financial disaster they certainly are. I am just sick of Nintento only fans using that as an excuse to say they have no value. I think the PS3/360 together currently have more fans than Nintendo.



chocoloco on 17 July 2010
Seece said:
Khuutra said:
Seece said:
chocoloco said:

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.

Sega, I don't know much about, but Nintendo have always made a profit on their consoles.

360 and PS3 have been money pits, PS3 moreso losing over $5 billion , 360 losing $1.5 billion including the RROD losses.


Edit - Yeah anyway what I meant is, I can see how both are seen as a disaster, because of the billions they've lost, which at the end of the day, however great the console and games, losing that much is awful.

I think you can argue that the 360 isn't really a disaster, since its intent wasn't to make money (I think) so much as it was to headbutt Sony over and over. Microsoft was helped substantially by both Nintendo and Sony on this point, but if all they're trying to do is beat Sony into submission then I think they're doing pretty well for themselves.

And SEGA had a few really bad years.

TBH, I think Microsoft's worries about Sony taking over the living room/PC area (I think that's the reason MS got in on this business) were ... misguided?

I think they knew they were releasing a faulty product, and knew they would ave to shell out big time and pay the price. But they became profitable in late 07/early 08 if memory serves me right, for Microsoft this is some feat.

And now we're looking at them making $1 billion in one fiscal year, and the 670 Million from the previous 2 fiscal years, they're doing well. The 360 should be a profitable venture for Microsoft by end of 2012 all going well, so I guess that and the fact by how much marketshare headway Microsoft has made, and the increased strength of the xbox brand, means 360 is a success, I want to wait a little while longer before saying that though ...

PS3? .. well I aint even going there


I'm glad you didn't speak of the PS3 because your 360 bias is so strong I can smell you from America. :)



Mr Khan on 17 July 2010
Seece said:
Khuutra said:
Seece said:
chocoloco said:

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.

Sega, I don't know much about, but Nintendo have always made a profit on their consoles.

360 and PS3 have been money pits, PS3 moreso losing over $5 billion , 360 losing $1.5 billion including the RROD losses.


Edit - Yeah anyway what I meant is, I can see how both are seen as a disaster, because of the billions they've lost, which at the end of the day, however great the console and games, losing that much is awful.

I think you can argue that the 360 isn't really a disaster, since its intent wasn't to make money (I think) so much as it was to headbutt Sony over and over. Microsoft was helped substantially by both Nintendo and Sony on this point, but if all they're trying to do is beat Sony into submission then I think they're doing pretty well for themselves.

And SEGA had a few really bad years.

TBH, I think Microsoft's worries about Sony taking over the living room/PC area (I think that's the reason MS got in on this business) were ... misguided?

I think they knew they were releasing a faulty product, and knew they would ave to shell out big time and pay the price. But they became profitable in late 07/early 08 if memory serves me right, for Microsoft this is some feat.

And now we're looking at them making $1 billion in one fiscal year, and the 670 Million from the previous 2 fiscal years, they're doing well. The 360 should be a profitable venture for Microsoft by end of 2012 all going well, so I guess that and the fact by how much marketshare headway Microsoft has made, and the increased strength of the xbox brand, means 360 is a success, I want to wait a little while longer before saying that though ...

PS3? .. well I aint even going there

The 360 came in at exactly the wrong time to be the success that Microsoft envisioned for it, but Microsoft can hardly be blamed because of the entirely unforeseen paradigm shift Nintendo made

360 was built to be the ultimate console under the PlayStation paradigm (i.e. what console gaming was perceived to be in the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 generations), and i think it very much succeeded on that point, and had Nintendo done nothing, the 360 would have been the success it was supposed to be. It's still successful in its own right since its made tremendous strides over the original, but my guess is Microsoft was very much gunning for number 1 this time around.



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Mr Puggsly on 17 July 2010
chocoloco said:
Mr Puggsly said:
BBH said:

'Sony have to pull something out of the cupboard quickly'

- Well MS did this exact thing with their actual console.


Well Sony just blatantly ripped off the WIi.

MS actually created an original console. Unfortunately they used shit hardware that failed often. But Sony's quality hardware didn't benefit them financially (and they still have a pretty high failrate).

Both HD consoles have been a disaster.

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.


You must live in a world where people presume crap that's completely wrong.

The N64 and Gamecube were very profitable and sold tons of 1st party software. To the contrary, it'll be a while before the 360 gets out of the red and the PS3 never will.

The original Xbox sold a few million more than the Gamecube. But obviously the Gamecube was the real success between those two.

Sega didn't merge with Sammy because they were doing great on their own.  Sega was mostly a failure when it came to consoles. The Genesis was really their only popular console. The Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, and Dreamcast were all failures. Even as a 3rd party developer they struggle.



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Mr Puggsly on 17 July 2010
chocoloco said:
Seece said:
chocoloco said:
Mr Puggsly said:
BBH said:

'Sony have to pull something out of the cupboard quickly'

- Well MS did this exact thing with their actual console.


Well Sony just blatantly ripped off the WIi.

MS actually created an original console. Unfortunately they used shit hardware that failed often. But Sony's quality hardware didn't benefit them financially (and they still have a pretty high failrate).

Both HD consoles have been a disaster.

If you think they are a disaster you must live in a sad world were everything is negative. Its like saying that the N64, Gamecube, and every console made by Sega was a complete failure because of the lack of sales.

Sega, I don't know much about, but Nintendo have always made a profit on their consoles.

360 and PS3 have been money pits, PS3 moreso losing over $5 billion , 360 losing $1.5 billion including the RROD losses.


Edit - Yeah anyway what I meant is, I can see how both are seen as a disaster, because of the billions they've lost, which at the end of the day, however great the console and games, losing that much is awful.


This would be fine if that was made clear that he was talking about profit. A financial disaster they certainly are. I am just sick of Nintento only fans using that as an excuse to say they have no value. I think the PS3/360 together currently have more fans than Nintendo.


Ofcourse I mean profit. The game industry is a business. You think this is just an expensive hobby for MS and Sony?



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