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SamuelRSmith said:
FaRmLaNd said:
NoddyHolder said:
FaRmLaNd said:

How about no faith schools at all?

One can dream...


sadly, the current goverment wants to create more of them in the UK.

they should be banned.

Completely agree.


Why? Faith schools are some of the best schools in the country. They are fortunate in the fact that they receive extra funding, they produce the highest results, and tend to have the best records on things such as punctuality. How can some people claim that education is one of the most important things to a continued, prosperous society (which I agree with, and, so does every other sane person) on one hand, whilst on the other want to shut down some of the best institutions for providing education in the country. Based on what? Opposition to religion?

I don't liek religion at all, but I agree with Samuel. I was Christened with the sole purpose of going to a Chruch of England school. It is the best performing school in the area and I hear this is common of "religious" schools compared to those that are "non relgious"



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Pyro as Bill said:
Scruff7 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Ah, deserve.

This is why Commies always hate God. They think they should be the ones to tell everybody what they deserve. Trouble is, when you let a commie run wild it usually results in millions starving to death, doesn't it?

What are you talking about? just because someone disagrees with the means to cut back on the deficit and has a belief that pay does not equal worth does not mean they are a communist that is our to go kill rich people and starve millions.

Socialism and the welfare state is not the same as communism.

Congratulations though, you've just invented a weird twist on Godwin's Law.

P.S. i don't hate your god, i don't believe in any God.

It was aimed at noddy, scruff. I'm not religious, I just find it noticable that commies actively dislike God (any God), they always seem to be against freedom of religion for some reason.


I've always thought it was down to the fact that most religions put a person/diety at the top of all humanity, whilst most (all?) communist regimes rely on the installation of a dictator who needs to take on a similar role to prevent, you know... revolutions and all of it. It's hard for Kim Jong-Il to be a god and overall ruler of his people, when his people believe that the Pope, someone/thing (really trying hard not to show my ignorance to religions, here) is also the head of all humanity.



Scruff7 said:
FootballFan said:

What are they suppose to do?

Tax the ones who work 100 times more and scrap VAT rises that effect everyone?

There is no simple solution....and I don't no if you were saying the tories want to shoot everyone who earns less than 10k as serious.  -.-


There are alternative solutions, especially through supporting the public sector, gradually reducing the defiticit while supporting those who need it.

Yes, it would mean those who can afford to pay more are taxed more, but that means we won't be cutting off support to those less well off, the vulnerable and essential services., all those services we need but don't usually think of.

The impact the current policies will have on those hard working people on lower incomes and the pubic sector (who work just as hard as anyone else), will be huge.

Finally, the amount you earn does not equate to how hard you work - a nurse in the UK earnes between £12k and £25k a year, a soldier earns £16-25k a year, a policeman between £19-32k, a social worker between £17-35k. are they not as hard working as bankers, stockbroakers, insurance brokers, hedgefund managers? I think it would be unfair to say they deserce less money.


The problem with deficit... any deficit, is the crippling effect it has on inflation. Contrary to popular belief, inflation is the direct result of debt (I can go into the economics of it all, if you want). Inflation, at the moment, is between 3 and 4 percent - almost double the BoE's target rate.... I would wager that the rate is so high because of the past year's huge deficit, and the mounting effect of the overall Government debt.

And, is inflation important? Yes. A sustained period of time of inflation at 3-4% would mean that the value of money would effectively half over a period of around 20 years. The value of money halving would be seen as prices doubling. The doubling of prices over twenty years... who do you think that's going to effect the most? The people who are currently struggling to get by, or those who have piles of money?



SamuelRSmith said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Scruff7 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Ah, deserve.

This is why Commies always hate God. They think they should be the ones to tell everybody what they deserve. Trouble is, when you let a commie run wild it usually results in millions starving to death, doesn't it?

What are you talking about? just because someone disagrees with the means to cut back on the deficit and has a belief that pay does not equal worth does not mean they are a communist that is our to go kill rich people and starve millions.

Socialism and the welfare state is not the same as communism.

Congratulations though, you've just invented a weird twist on Godwin's Law.

P.S. i don't hate your god, i don't believe in any God.

It was aimed at noddy, scruff. I'm not religious, I just find it noticable that commies actively dislike God (any God), they always seem to be against freedom of religion for some reason.


I've always thought it was down to the fact that most religions put a person/diety at the top of all humanity, whilst most (all?) communist regimes rely on the installation of a dictator who needs to take on a similar role to prevent, you know... revolutions and all of it. It's hard for Kim Jong-Il to be a god and overall ruler of his people, when his people believe that the Pope, someone/thing (really trying hard not to show my ignorance to religions, here) is also the head of all humanity.

If a commie leader can convince their populace that they are a God (supernatural) like Kim Jong Il then they don't mind religion (because they ARE the religion). If they can't then they outlaw it.

Religion stands in their way because of the power base it can provide and because Communism is the only true religion. It's an atheist religion but it is a religion. They still believe in God, they just think the state is God and they're more intolerant than the Taliban.

Non-commy countries can put Parliament, the Constitution, the Army, a Monarch, a dictator, whoever at the head of the nation without outlawing religion.



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the number of misconceptions you people put on Socialism is pathetic...you have created an entire fiction around it, none of which represents the true ideaology...

at what point have I even hinted at Dictatorship???? NONE...

I believe in Democracy...but I dont consider the UK or USA to be proper ones...which is part of why they fail...

the reason the Right oppose proper democracy and put so much misinformation about is because they know a well educated and informed electorate who have a real say would NEVER elect them.



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NoddyHolder said:

the number of misconceptions you people put on Socialism is pathetic...you have created an entire fiction around it, none of which represents the true ideaology...

at what point have I even hinted at Dictatorship???? NONE...

I believe in Democracy...but I dont consider the UK or USA to be proper ones...which is part of why they fail...

the reason the Right oppose proper democracy and put so much misinformation about is because they know a well educated and informed electorate who have a real say would NEVER elect them.


Come on then, why DON'T you consider the USA or UK to be proper democracies? Stop making open ended statements, and actually put a little meat in your posts.



SamuelRSmith said:
NoddyHolder said:

the number of misconceptions you people put on Socialism is pathetic...you have created an entire fiction around it, none of which represents the true ideaology...

at what point have I even hinted at Dictatorship???? NONE...

I believe in Democracy...but I dont consider the UK or USA to be proper ones...which is part of why they fail...

the reason the Right oppose proper democracy and put so much misinformation about is because they know a well educated and informed electorate who have a real say would NEVER elect them.


Come on then, why DON'T you consider the USA or UK to be proper democracies? Stop making open ended statements, and actually put a little meat in your posts.


Monarcy (UK)

no Proportional Representation (Both)

far too few Referendums (UK)

low voter turnout (UK, dont know about US)

lack of participation in politics (both)



NoddyHolder said:
SamuelRSmith said:
NoddyHolder said:

the number of misconceptions you people put on Socialism is pathetic...you have created an entire fiction around it, none of which represents the true ideaology...

at what point have I even hinted at Dictatorship???? NONE...

I believe in Democracy...but I dont consider the UK or USA to be proper ones...which is part of why they fail...

the reason the Right oppose proper democracy and put so much misinformation about is because they know a well educated and informed electorate who have a real say would NEVER elect them.


Come on then, why DON'T you consider the USA or UK to be proper democracies? Stop making open ended statements, and actually put a little meat in your posts.


Monarcy (UK)

no Proportional Representation (Both)

far too few Referendums (UK)

low voter turnout (UK, dont know about US)

lack of participation in politics (both)

Whilst you are correct about the monarchy being far from a democratic entity... I posit the following: when was the last time the monarch denied the sovereignty of Parliament? I'd agree that the Lords are far from a democratic institution within Parliament - but the Government has committed itself to reforming it.

Proportional Representation... eh, not a fan. The strong constituency link coupled with the forthcoming right to recall MPs makes each MP much more accountable to her constituents, which I'd wager is a strong incentive for them to work in the interest of their constituents.

I'd agree about the referendums... but it seems like such a small point when compared to the anger you seem to show towards the political institutions of both nations. Particularly in the US, where there are a considerable number of referenda at the local level.

The last two are the result of a conscious decision by the electorate. Part of the whole freedom and liberty notions of a liberal democracy is that people have the right to opt-out of it all, if they want to. Also, I find that people are very interested in politics when it comes to the local level, I often see a lot of NIMBY campaigns, and the like, and I'm sure that this preference to local politics isn't just a phenomenon in my area (and is another argument for decentralisation).



Democracy is a sham. Democracy allows 51% of the population to kill the other 49%.

I believe in rights that supercede the will of the people, the will of government, the will of the Monarch and especially the will of a bunch of evil commies intent on destroying mankind.

I'm not talking about rights to free broadband like Europe, I'm talking real rights. Like the right to shoot anyone who tries to harm you or your family ie Commies.

Did I mention I hate Commies?



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Pyro as Bill said:

Democracy is a sham. Democracy allows 51% of the population to kill the other 49%.

I believe in rights that supercede the will of the people, the will of government, the will of the Monarch and especially the will of a bunch of evil commies intent on destroying mankind.

I'm not talking about rights to free broadband like Europe, I'm talking real rights. Like the right to shoot anyone who tries to harm you or your family ie Commies.

Did I mention I hate Commies?


What planet are you from? just so i know which to avoid.



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