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NoddyHolder said:
SamuelRSmith said:
NoddyHolder said:

the number of misconceptions you people put on Socialism is pathetic...you have created an entire fiction around it, none of which represents the true ideaology...

at what point have I even hinted at Dictatorship???? NONE...

I believe in Democracy...but I dont consider the UK or USA to be proper ones...which is part of why they fail...

the reason the Right oppose proper democracy and put so much misinformation about is because they know a well educated and informed electorate who have a real say would NEVER elect them.


Come on then, why DON'T you consider the USA or UK to be proper democracies? Stop making open ended statements, and actually put a little meat in your posts.


Monarcy (UK)

no Proportional Representation (Both)

far too few Referendums (UK)

low voter turnout (UK, dont know about US)

lack of participation in politics (both)

Whilst you are correct about the monarchy being far from a democratic entity... I posit the following: when was the last time the monarch denied the sovereignty of Parliament? I'd agree that the Lords are far from a democratic institution within Parliament - but the Government has committed itself to reforming it.

Proportional Representation... eh, not a fan. The strong constituency link coupled with the forthcoming right to recall MPs makes each MP much more accountable to her constituents, which I'd wager is a strong incentive for them to work in the interest of their constituents.

I'd agree about the referendums... but it seems like such a small point when compared to the anger you seem to show towards the political institutions of both nations. Particularly in the US, where there are a considerable number of referenda at the local level.

The last two are the result of a conscious decision by the electorate. Part of the whole freedom and liberty notions of a liberal democracy is that people have the right to opt-out of it all, if they want to. Also, I find that people are very interested in politics when it comes to the local level, I often see a lot of NIMBY campaigns, and the like, and I'm sure that this preference to local politics isn't just a phenomenon in my area (and is another argument for decentralisation).