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numonex said:

Racial intolerance is accepted in parts of Western civilised Europe. Spain, France and other western countries are now banning the burqa. Freedom of speech and democracy is used to justify racism towards minority groups by the majority. 

5 million Muslims are outraged by the decision. Only 2000 Muslims were impacted by the ban. 0.04% but that beats the point. It is OK to ban a minority within a minority

Freedom to practise one's religion and dress in accordance to conservative Muslim values outside of Muslim nation is under threat.

That is 20% of the world's population living in the world. 

Islamophobia = fear, paranoid beliefs, anger and widespread hostility is expressed by majority towards the Muslim minority. 9/11 triggered the worldwide myth that Muslims are all terrorists. 

 

Outlaw the religion could be the next step. 

France encourages racial intolerance towards Muslims- confirmed.

Nowhere does the quran mandate a veil. It is entirely cultural, therefore it is a entirely non-religous issue.

The wearing of the veil in non moslem countries symbolises cultural seperatism, causes offence against western sensibilities and stimulates only negativity. It is therefore an act of agression.

Peaceful coexistence is the key; those who take the veil carry with them a sign of isolationism and seperatism and show this symbol of offense to everyone they meet, wherever they meet them. Worse still, it is the first thing these people can see. Surely the world would be better served by preventing such negativity?

The niqab then is an immodest weapon used to highlight cultural and political differences. The balaclava is illegal in Britain for exactly these reasons.

What purpose does it serve?

Those who legislate against such items may be seen to be challenging rights and freedoms - but this is clearly not the case; they are demanding common decency and civility, We are forcing to adopt the moderate ground.

The only shame here is that it has to be made law before these people stop and think about the impact they are having upon their host culture.

If you live among non moslems, in a non moslem country, perhaps you should consider their cultural norms and values before imposing your own, alien customs upon them. That would surely be an act of love, respect and goodwill. And it would surely serve to minimise potential conflict.



 

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This is more to do with the French trying to protect their identity and asking others to respect its traditions. It is fair to say that in most of europe the covering of the face is not traditional and makes people uncomfortable, but then so does public breast feeding and youths with hoods.

 



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numonex said:

Racial intolerance is accepted in parts of Western civilised Europe. Spain, France and other western countries are now banning the burqa. Freedom of speech and democracy is used to justify racism towards minority groups by the majority. 

 ==> they are banning burqa
but this is not racial intolerance since we are talking religion
perhaps you wanted to say "religion intolerance"
in this case, you will not that you can still wear islamic head clothe, catholic head clothe, or even the jew head clothe. So there is not religion discrimination AT ALL. We are just saying no to full covered people

 

5 million Muslims are outraged by the decision. Only 2000 Muslims were impacted by the ban. 0.04% but that beats the point. It is OK to ban a minority within a minority

 ==> there are not 5 M muslim in France
they are closer to 10M according to me

Neverthless, those 10M were not outragead. This is people like making bullshit point and free claim that are our problem in France. Most of those muslim are happy with this law and french law in general.

 

Freedom to practise one's religion and dress in accordance to conservative Muslim values outside of Muslim nation is under threat.

 ==> that is true because this practise is putting under thread our republican nation. And we will defend republic agaisnt any of those shitty practice over and over and over.

 

That is 20% of the world's population living in the world. 

==> again, ask people in Algeria (I take a country having a diffcult story with France) : most of the algerian people are extremely happy with this decision. They are even wondering why we (french)  are so tolerant.
Again, the big problem is people like you, not the muslim people

 

Islamophobia = fear, paranoid beliefs, anger and widespread hostility is expressed by majority towards the Muslim minority. 9/11 triggered the worldwide myth that Muslims are all terrorists. 

 ==> you are a pathetic joke and I m losing my time with you.
FRANCE IS NOT USA.
We are not relying our point based on pathetic governement lie and propaganda. We are based our point on what we are able to see on the street, in real life. We dont give a shit about terrorism. WHO CARES ABOUT TERRORISM ?
But, because people like you, we need 1 FULL YEAR, to create such a law : that is pathetic too.

 

Outlaw the religion could be the next step. 

 ==> sure ... you seem to know so much

France encourages racial intolerance towards Muslims- confirmed.

 

==> if you say so ... it is not like I spend my week end with black and muslim people ... of course, everything was nice and peacefull ... obviosuly, there was no burqa !!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 



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numonex said:

Racial intolerance is accepted in parts of Western civilised Europe. Spain, France and other western countries are now banning the burqa. Freedom of speech and democracy is used to justify racism towards minority groups by the majority. 

 

5 million Muslims are outraged by the decision. Only 2000 Muslims were impacted by the ban. 0.04% but that beats the point. It is OK to ban a minority within a minority

 

Freedom to practise one's religion and dress in accordance to conservative Muslim values outside of Muslim nation is under threat.

 

That is 20% of the world's population living in the world. 

 

Islamophobia = fear, paranoid beliefs, anger and widespread hostility is expressed by majority towards the Muslim minority. 9/11 triggered the worldwide myth that Muslims are all terrorists. 

 

Outlaw the religion could be the next step. 

 

France encourages racial intolerance towards Muslims- confirmed.

 

 

Judging by the kind of comments you made, the racist are not the french people...

And are you aware that in some muslim countries you can be sentenced to death if you convert yourself to other religion? So please, stop talking about intolerance because you clearly doesnt know what you are talking about.

Also, muslims doesnt represent 20% of the world population its more like 15% actually. Why would 85% of the world population should submit themselves to a very limited segment of that 15%? Especially when they are in their home land and have all the right to legislate their own laws?

I hope that a lot of countries will follow the France with that law.



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By the way, any Muslims on this site arguing that that the Qu'ran doesn't say anything on this or command it?  I swear I am seeing non-Muslims claiming they know what the Qu'ran says.



richardhutnik said:

By the way, any Muslims on this site arguing that that the Qu'ran doesn't say anything on this or command it?  I swear I am seeing non-Muslims claiming they know what the Qu'ran says.

Ask Kamal. Also a number of developed Islamic countries have banned it as they believe it can be linked to the less civilised and to opression.

Google Turkish and Egyptian views towards the Burka.



I'm not sure it should be banned. However, any man that forces a woman to wear it should be fined/prosecuted.

Of course if a person needs to take the veil off for security reasons then they should be forced too if they refuse. But beyond that I'm not sure if it should be completely banned.

BTW I'm sick and tired of people attempting to connect criticism of islam to racism. Religion is something that you are taught/indoctrinated into from an early age and can be changed or rejected completely. Race is something that cannot be changed and race doesn't have a set of moral beliefs or anything of the like. It doesn't make any claims at all. Thus any criticism of it is reprehensible.

Criticising a religion that says its the last revelation of God seems to me to be logical. All religions make huge claims with next to no evidence supporting their claims and yet one can't critique it? And if you do you're racist?

I completely reject that assumption. I will be skeptical towards all religious claims and if that makes a religious person feel upset then too bad. If the only way you can shut down an issue is by pulling the racist card and getting terribly upset then it just shows how little ground and how weak your position is if it can't withstand logical debate. Anyone that can't win a debate without the use of political correctness, calls of racism and being upset (let alone threats of violence) are actually weakning their position every time they do this.



Banning the burkha is un-British says UK governement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10674973

"Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do,"

"Britain is a free country. We value our freedoms and we don't want MPs or the government telling British citizens what they can or can't wear."

 



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Banning the burkha is un-British says UK governement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10674973

"Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do,"

"Britain is a free country. We value our freedoms and we don't want MPs or the government telling British citizens what they can or can't wear."

 

Shame, the government doesn't listen to the vast majority of the citizens. In a recent Yougov poll 67.2% of people in the UK want the Burka banned.

I would argue it that the Burka is "un-British"