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themanwithnoname on 13 July 2010

So why does XBLA have more de facto exclusives than PSN?



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JerzeeBalla on 13 July 2010
themanwithnoname said:

So why does XBLA have more de facto exclusives than PSN?

My guess is because 1) its been around longer and 2) MS keeps the games they publish for themselves, which is probably a good amount. Factor in devs who believe XBLA gives them a better shot and there you go. Im guessing. If someone knows a more factual reason I would like to know as well.



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ImJustBayuum on 13 July 2010
steverhcp02 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
steverhcp02 said:


I believe Shio is simply taking what this developer said at face value. Theres already a huge red flag in the OP about the figures being what the developer feels is realistic.....it doesnt take much to infer if the developer feels these are bad sales then he must feel his company is in a better position selling via PSN. 

Sure, i could be gullibe but if this guys making decisions for these people slives and families and they area group of 4 people, who should i believe in terms of whether or not those sales are justified or whether or not its  agood decision? Some random internet person insulting me and argueing for a company they have no ties too....or a developer of a critically acclaimed game speaking at a developers conference? 

I see youre slightly on edge for some reason and cant enjoy a little internet forum humor since this is so serious. But i wasnt trying to be mean spirited with my comment about guessing, so your insults arent really well placed, but carry on with your anger.

@ bolded. I know your not trying to be mean spirited. I was merely responding to a smart ass response  with a smart ass response.

Of course its the developer who knows whether the sales are justified or not. no argument there. The argument is that he provided data for XBLA as a whole and claimed it a slaughterhouse without even providing data for PSN for proper comparisons. It just seems like he is speaking for all developers of XBLA.


But in the real world do you begin each statement you make with "in my opinion" or "in our opinion" or "not to speak on behalf of everyone" .....no, you dont. When one speaks or answers a question its generally assumed they are not speaking on behalf nor trying to represent the entirety of either their field or mankind.

Unless one is officially representing a group of people or claims to be, i dont understand why people dont understand whats being said is their/his feelings on the mater.

Had he said "its a fact...." or something along those lines id be right next to you, but its easy to distinguish that hes giving a presentation, or answering a question and giving what HE FEELS and giving reasons that his company chose what they did.

EDIT: and claiming someones not smart enough for anything isnt being smart ass, its a personal insult....theyre quite distinguishable 

LOL at edit...In your first quote, didnt you humourously implied that i wasnt smart enough to know that the developer is not part of VGchartz..Go back and compare what you wrote and what I wrote it was clearly a mimick of your first post.

I never said that it was a fact, read my previous post, I clearly said "it just seems like" he was. As implying slaughter house for small developers, based on a so called research.



MrBubbles on 13 July 2010
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:

ninjabee is a small team(3 employees according to their wiki page) and have made a number of good games for xbla.  they dont feel that need to work in less competitive environment just because they are a small team and clearly dont feel that theyve been slaughtered...


I agree. Thats why i love opinions, one developer can feel a certain way and make their decisions and another, ninjabee i suppose is your reference, can go another route...and in the end no one is wrong and no one is right. Pretty cool.


i think its pretty safe to conclude that sean murray is very wrong regarding xbla being a slaughterhouse for small developers.

No, thats how he feels. Maybe the company you mentioned is doing fine. But the gentlemen speaking on behalf of his company doesnt feel the conditions are conducive to what he wants for his employees or himself.

Why is it so wrong he feels differently than you? Its his business to run, its just his opinion form his presentation....why cant he feel differently about the terms or conditions of th emarket in which hes running a business.

Not saying i agree with him, but youre argueing against a competitive marketplace and a companies choice of how to sell its product. Theres simply no right or wrong.

i have no problem with his choice of how he sells his product.  i have an issue with him making the claim that the one service is a slaughterhouse...a place designed for the destruction of small developers.   if i said that blacks are rapists and whites are murderers, is this ok?  its my opinion so everyone should just accept that i feel differently than them and accept my claims.



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themanwithnoname on 13 July 2010
JerzeeBalla said:
themanwithnoname said:

So why does XBLA have more de facto exclusives than PSN?

My guess is because 1) its been around longer and 2) MS keeps the games they publish for themselves, which is probably a good amount. Factor in devs who believe XBLA gives them a better shot and there you go. Im guessing. If someone knows a more factual reason I would like to know as well.


Maybe mrstickball can help us out here. He seems to know a lot about XBLA.



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WilliamWatts on 13 July 2010

They had an opportunity but they chose not to partake in it. I wonder if the small quantity of venom in his words are due to disapointment in himself for not also publishing on Live. After the fact he could probably do the mathematics in his head because his game would have been a top tier game on Live so therefore its sales would have reflected not the competition or average potential but closer to the top potential sales a game can typically expect.

So depending on where and how you figure the numbers he got between half and 1/3rd of his overall potential revenue had he released multiplatform.



steverhcp02 on 13 July 2010
MrBubbles said:

i have no problem with his choice of how he sells his product.  i have an issue with him making the claim that the one service is a slaughterhouse...a place designed for the destruction of small developers.   if i said that blacks are rapists and whites are murderers, is this ok?  its my opinion so everyone should just accept that i feel differently than them and accept my claims.

really? Thats your argument? really? wow.




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MrBubbles on 13 July 2010
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:

i have no problem with his choice of how he sells his product.  i have an issue with him making the claim that the one service is a slaughterhouse...a place designed for the destruction of small developers.   if i said that blacks are rapists and whites are murderers, is this ok?  its my opinion so everyone should just accept that i feel differently than them and accept my claims.

really? Thats your argument? really? wow.

it provides a perfect illustration. now you need accept that view or admit you are wrong.



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steverhcp02 on 13 July 2010
MrBubbles said:
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:

i have no problem with his choice of how he sells his product.  i have an issue with him making the claim that the one service is a slaughterhouse...a place designed for the destruction of small developers.   if i said that blacks are rapists and whites are murderers, is this ok?  its my opinion so everyone should just accept that i feel differently than them and accept my claims.

really? Thats your argument? really? wow.

it provides a perfect illustration. now you need accept that view or admit you are wrong.


No, it surely does not. Making comments about rape and murder as if they are some joke or some chess piece to your debate is childish and immature. 

Anytime someone uses incredibly extreme (and usually tasteless) analogies it shows a weak counterpoint because they feel the need to be overly compensating for their lack of argument by making shock comments to prove some absolute extreme.

Youre lack of ability to distinguish the difference from racism, tasteless very serious accusations that are not only illegal acts but traumatizing acts and a game devloper stating a reason for wanting to publish a game themselves on a different platform is rather sad.




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SciFiBoy on 13 July 2010
MrBubbles said:

ninjabee is a small team(3 employees according to their wiki page) and have made a number of good games for xbla(including the recently released Ancients of Ooga[go buy it]).  they dont feel that need to work in less competitive environment just because they are a small team and clearly dont feel that theyve been slaughtered...