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disolitude said:
themanwithnoname said:

Yes, James Cameron is clearly the pinnacle of character development. I really hope that's a joke. I think you can pretty accurately describe any character in Avatar after seeing them for about 30 seconds, because they're just about all cardboard cutouts.


Youre pretending like Avatar is all hes ever done.

He got Sigourney Weaver her only Oscar nomintaion for a role in a freeking sci fi thriller...and rightfully so.

Avatar wasn't his greatest movie on any level (other than visually) but he still knows how to make you care for the characters a hell of a lot better than Nolan in Inceptption. Other than Cobb, and possibly Ficher, did you honestly care what happens to any of thoseother people in the dream? You hardly knew anything about them to care...

You only cared that Saito got shot cause he could get Cobb back to his family...

I would argue Inception is probably Nolan's worst film to analyze his character development as well. I'd ask you if you actually cared about any character other than Ripley in Aliens, because I sure didn't. Just about every film has maybe a handful of characters at most that I genuinely care about. That being said, I still find praising of Cameron's character development to be iffy at best.



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themanwithnoname said:
disolitude said:
themanwithnoname said:

Yes, James Cameron is clearly the pinnacle of character development. I really hope that's a joke. I think you can pretty accurately describe any character in Avatar after seeing them for about 30 seconds, because they're just about all cardboard cutouts.


Youre pretending like Avatar is all hes ever done.

He got Sigourney Weaver her only Oscar nomintaion for a role in a freeking sci fi thriller...and rightfully so.

Avatar wasn't his greatest movie on any level (other than visually) but he still knows how to make you care for the characters a hell of a lot better than Nolan in Inceptption. Other than Cobb, and possibly Ficher, did you honestly care what happens to any of thoseother people in the dream? You hardly knew anything about them to care...

You only cared that Saito got shot cause he could get Cobb back to his family...

I would argue Inception is probably Nolan's worst film to analyze his character development as well. I'd ask you if you actually cared about any character other than Ripley in Aliens, because I sure didn't. Just about every film has maybe a handful of characters at most that I genuinely care about. That being said, I still find praising of Cameron's character development to be iffy at best.


lol...sorry I edited my reply while you were posting this.

 Avatar was really his worst movie when it comes to characters but that was filmed infront of the green wall most of the time so I can't blame him. He was too busy wearing 3D glasses :)

 His movies usually have interesting characters. The car salesman in True Lies...wtf?  The whole marines squad in Aliens was all badass at first, but then they get their asses kicked so hard...they start crying like little babies. Its interesting to watch...He makes you care for the right people while making everyone around have a personality.

Spoiler coming...

 

Inception builds this premise for the final act how the group of men accepted this dangerious mission to go deep inside another mans dream, but Cobb never told them about issues he has in his head which is putting them all in danger. Except it doesn't work nearly as well, as I don't care for any of them other than Cobb himself... The movie only becomes interesting and unpredictable to me when Cobb and his wife are in the room.



@disolitude

You know the pacing of the film is great, if nothing else. No, he didn't have time to fully develop all the character in 2.5 hours, but he did develop more characters than most movies do in that time, plus seemingly squeezed in an entire mythos behind his sci-fi, and about a 12 episode 1 hour drama's worth of epicness. This was a mythos, not a movie, and 2.5 hours was squeezing shit in.

Now, I know the movie isn't the best movie of all time, but imo, it's one of the top 100 and it's a 4 star film. That said, obviously, nearly any 2 episodes of Star Trek: TNG would be a funner sci-fi experience, but that speaks more towards the fantastic excellence of the best sci-fi series of all time, than it does against the excellent new Nolan film.



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NO NO, NO NO NO.

For me the ending was absolutely perfect because it just left that little bit of doubt in your mind. 



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

To me the ending was doubly clever as it was made to make you question. It was there to put a doubt in your mind.

Given the title of the movie, that's horribly clever.



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disolitude said:
mrstickball said:

Very good movie.

Best Sci-fi ever? No.

But its up there. The special effects were some of the best ever...Not like Avatar 'oh look at this, its pretty, but thats about it', but the smart kind of SFX that have you going 'woah, I would of never thought of that!', especially during the hotel scenes.

I just read a plausible story explanation, which is insanely trippy, but well thought out. There is so much to contemplate about the movie, it makes for a great time.

What is there to contemplate about? Thre is just one thing as far as I'm concerned... Is he still in a...? Or isn't he...

And the answer is pretty clear if one thinks about it.

The thing that makes me enjoy movies like this is that they are simply good food for thought. You don't necessarily have to contemplate the events of the movie, but the things it brings up.

For me, the movie has made me think more about my dreams and their importance. I have now begun a dream journal and the things that go on in my head at night are intriguing to say the least. I have even begun attempting a "lucid dream," where the dreamer attempts to logic themselves into realizing they are dreaming and can then control what happens in the dream. If you take time in the physical world to perform "reality checks," for example poking your palm or closing your nostrils and trying to breath through them, you will naturally start to do these things in the dream world as well. When you're dreaming your finger will pass straight through your palm and you will be able to breath when you pinch your nose.

Movies like Dark Knight can also provoke thought without necessarily trying to be "smart" movies. That movie made me question my morality (as many do) as I pondered the relationship between Harvey, Batman, the Joker and the citizens of Gotham. The movie doesn't need to be highly intellectual to make you think, it just has to present you with ideas that you have not been exposed to before, and the easiest way to present unique ideas is to portray the relationships of eccentric characters like in The Dark Knight.

I'm a ponderer at heart anyways, so maybe I can find more to think about in movies/games than other people would care to. :)



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Also apparently our brains aren't able to process clocks while we dream for some reason.



Yeah, and there's something with mirrors too but I forget exactly what.

I'd also just like to say that after reading most of the posts in this thread, it has been a great discussion! I feel like I'm learning here! :)



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A very good movie!

But Toy Story 3 is still too epic for Nolan.