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Rpruett on 27 July 2010
buzzard said:
Rpruett said:

No, I just don't think Nintendo....Innovated anything specifically within the industry when it comes to 'Motion Controls'. 

Remember Sony has had similar tech contained with it's Eye Toy years prior and also came out with the Sixaxis (Which while I am aware is not the same as the Wii-mote) has a very similar concept.  Sony, however was not willing to come into this generation (Fresh off a successful PS2 Gen) with a $600 dollar console AND a brand new control scheme. 

They deserve all the credit in the world for making a gutsy decision, one that went against the grain of the industry and apparently finding a market for it as well.  But I don't think they 'innovated' as people like to throw around here. 

I don't think they did anything or had something so innovative and ingenius that Sony / Microsoft couldn't have grabbed up and done themselves.  The difference is,  Sony and Microsoft didn't believe/realize there was nearly as large of a market for it as there has been, otherwise make no mistake about it they would have done it as well. 


Sony had similar tech years prior? They only had the ball tracking thingy. Current day PS Move uses accelerometers and a gyroscope, guess who did that first...

I'm not sure...I was under the impression that the Sixaxis has accelerometers and a gyroscope?

The PS3 released November 11th 2006... correct?

The Wii released November 19th 2006?

 

You tell me?

 



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Final-Fan on 27 July 2010

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buzzard on 27 July 2010
Rpruett said:
buzzard said:
Rpruett said:

No, I just don't think Nintendo....Innovated anything specifically within the industry when it comes to 'Motion Controls'. 

Remember Sony has had similar tech contained with it's Eye Toy years prior and also came out with the Sixaxis (Which while I am aware is not the same as the Wii-mote) has a very similar concept.  Sony, however was not willing to come into this generation (Fresh off a successful PS2 Gen) with a $600 dollar console AND a brand new control scheme. 

They deserve all the credit in the world for making a gutsy decision, one that went against the grain of the industry and apparently finding a market for it as well.  But I don't think they 'innovated' as people like to throw around here. 

I don't think they did anything or had something so innovative and ingenius that Sony / Microsoft couldn't have grabbed up and done themselves.  The difference is,  Sony and Microsoft didn't believe/realize there was nearly as large of a market for it as there has been, otherwise make no mistake about it they would have done it as well. 


Sony had similar tech years prior? They only had the ball tracking thingy. Current day PS Move uses accelerometers and a gyroscope, guess who did that first...

I'm not sure...I was under the impression that the Sixaxis has accelerometers and a gyroscope?

The PS3 released November 11th 2006... correct?

The Wii released November 19th 2006?

 

You tell me?

 


It is very well known that Sony added the Sixaxis at the last moment to try to steal the thunder from Nintendo, the Wii Remote was introduced well before the PS3 was launched and before it was known that it would have the sixaxis controller.

Still none of those things have anything to do with your affirmation that Sony had introduced that kind of technology before Nintendo which is simply not true.



Rpruett on 27 July 2010
buzzard said:
Rpruett said:
buzzard said:
Rpruett said:

No, I just don't think Nintendo....Innovated anything specifically within the industry when it comes to 'Motion Controls'. 

Remember Sony has had similar tech contained with it's Eye Toy years prior and also came out with the Sixaxis (Which while I am aware is not the same as the Wii-mote) has a very similar concept.  Sony, however was not willing to come into this generation (Fresh off a successful PS2 Gen) with a $600 dollar console AND a brand new control scheme. 

They deserve all the credit in the world for making a gutsy decision, one that went against the grain of the industry and apparently finding a market for it as well.  But I don't think they 'innovated' as people like to throw around here. 

I don't think they did anything or had something so innovative and ingenius that Sony / Microsoft couldn't have grabbed up and done themselves.  The difference is,  Sony and Microsoft didn't believe/realize there was nearly as large of a market for it as there has been, otherwise make no mistake about it they would have done it as well. 


Sony had similar tech years prior? They only had the ball tracking thingy. Current day PS Move uses accelerometers and a gyroscope, guess who did that first...

I'm not sure...I was under the impression that the Sixaxis has accelerometers and a gyroscope?

The PS3 released November 11th 2006... correct?

The Wii released November 19th 2006?

 

You tell me?

 


It is very well known that Sony added the Sixaxis at the last moment to try to steal the thunder from Nintendo, the Wii Remote was introduced well before the PS3 was launched and before it was known that it would have the sixaxis controller.

Still none of those things have anything to do with your affirmation that Sony had introduced that kind of technology before Nintendo which is simply not true.

A.)  That is rumor only.  We have no idea.  Purporting it as fact is just being  intellectually dishonest.    The point that I am making is that we have no idea one way or another.  So portraying only (your preferred side of the story) serves no purpose.

 

This 'innovation' physically hit the market on a Sony system first. Again, just because something doesn't take off with popularity doesn't mean it's not an innovation and it goes back to my original point that you can't really soley award Nintendo innovater of Motion controls. 

My affirmation from the get go was that Nintendo did not 'Innovate' motion controls as many Nintendo fans imply.  This just isn't true.  Success is found no where near the definition of innovation.   Just because the Wii is successful doesn't mean that it was innovative or the fact that it's successful and uses motion controls doesn't mean it's innovative either. 

On a fair sense,  Sony also released motion controls with just as much 'innovation' behind it as Nintendo did with the Wii and they released it about 8 days earlier.  By that very fact, Nintendo did not innovate or bring anything new to the market. 

 

Nintendo simply pursued that angle more upon release. They did not innovate it.



buzzard on 28 July 2010
Rpruett said:
buzzard said:
Rpruett said:
buzzard said:
Rpruett said:

No, I just don't think Nintendo....Innovated anything specifically within the industry when it comes to 'Motion Controls'. 

Remember Sony has had similar tech contained with it's Eye Toy years prior and also came out with the Sixaxis (Which while I am aware is not the same as the Wii-mote) has a very similar concept.  Sony, however was not willing to come into this generation (Fresh off a successful PS2 Gen) with a $600 dollar console AND a brand new control scheme. 

They deserve all the credit in the world for making a gutsy decision, one that went against the grain of the industry and apparently finding a market for it as well.  But I don't think they 'innovated' as people like to throw around here. 

I don't think they did anything or had something so innovative and ingenius that Sony / Microsoft couldn't have grabbed up and done themselves.  The difference is,  Sony and Microsoft didn't believe/realize there was nearly as large of a market for it as there has been, otherwise make no mistake about it they would have done it as well. 


Sony had similar tech years prior? They only had the ball tracking thingy. Current day PS Move uses accelerometers and a gyroscope, guess who did that first...

I'm not sure...I was under the impression that the Sixaxis has accelerometers and a gyroscope?

The PS3 released November 11th 2006... correct?

The Wii released November 19th 2006?

 

You tell me?

 


It is very well known that Sony added the Sixaxis at the last moment to try to steal the thunder from Nintendo, the Wii Remote was introduced well before the PS3 was launched and before it was known that it would have the sixaxis controller.

Still none of those things have anything to do with your affirmation that Sony had introduced that kind of technology before Nintendo which is simply not true.

A.)  That is rumor only.  We have no idea.  Purporting it as fact is just being  intellectually dishonest.    The point that I am making is that we have no idea one way or another.  So portraying only (your preferred side of the story) serves no purpose.

 

This 'innovation' physically hit the market on a Sony system first. Again, just because something doesn't take off with popularity doesn't mean it's not an innovation and it goes back to my original point that you can't really soley award Nintendo innovater of Motion controls. 

My affirmation from the get go was that Nintendo did not 'Innovate' motion controls as many Nintendo fans imply.  This just isn't true.  Success is found no where near the definition of innovation.   Just because the Wii is successful doesn't mean that it was innovative or the fact that it's successful and uses motion controls doesn't mean it's innovative either. 

On a fair sense,  Sony also released motion controls with just as much 'innovation' behind it as Nintendo did with the Wii and they released it about 8 days earlier.  By that very fact, Nintendo did not innovate or bring anything new to the market. 

 

Nintendo simply pursued that angle more upon release. They did not innovate it.


So Iwata presenting the Wii Remote a full year before the launch of PS3 at TGS 2005 is just a rumor, righhhhhhhhht. I love how you dodged that part of the argument. Oh and what a coincidence that people were praising the Wii Remote at that time and then, the next year at the very last moment suddenly the sixaxis appears...

And I like how the sixaxis launched with only a single game using it, surely Sony was pushing motion controls way before Nintendo *rolls eyes*

2005:

More here: http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651320p1.html

Where was the sixaxis at that time?