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FootballFan on 10 July 2010
Rath said:
O-D-C said:

enjoy New-Zealand I hear its the 2nd most beautiful country on Earth.

Wheres more beautiful?

 

Also to all the people saying that everybody has the ability to improve their position, the truth of the matter is there must always be people on the bottom. If somebody goes up in the world it almost always means they're taking the position of somebody else who was already up there and that somebody else is going to have to take their place below them.

Not everybody can have high paying jobs, there simply aren't enough of them.

England, well, I'm guessing thats where the Canadian is suggesting



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Rath on 10 July 2010

Canada is pretty beautiful. Only place I've lived apart from NZ (spent a year there).

Too bloody cold though. Reached -40 when I was there.



TheRealMafoo on 10 July 2010
Rath said:
O-D-C said:

enjoy New-Zealand I hear its the 2nd most beautiful country on Earth.

Wheres more beautiful?

 

Also to all the people saying that everybody has the ability to improve their position, the truth of the matter is there must always be people on the bottom. If somebody goes up in the world it almost always means they're taking the position of somebody else who was already up there and that somebody else is going to have to take their place below them.

Not everybody can have high paying jobs, there simply aren't enough of them.


Again, this is not true. Like I said, the world runs on effort. Your view of the world would be true if there was a fixed amount of effort being created, and for someone to produce more, someone else has to produce less.

If everyone in the world produced more, everyone in the world would have a better life.



sethnintendo on 10 July 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:
O-D-C said:

enjoy New-Zealand I hear its the 2nd most beautiful country on Earth.

Wheres more beautiful?

 

Also to all the people saying that everybody has the ability to improve their position, the truth of the matter is there must always be people on the bottom. If somebody goes up in the world it almost always means they're taking the position of somebody else who was already up there and that somebody else is going to have to take their place below them.

Not everybody can have high paying jobs, there simply aren't enough of them.


Again, this is not true. Like I said, the world runs on effort. Your view of the world would be true if there was a fixed amount of effort being created, and for someone to produce more, someone else has to produce less.

If everyone in the world produced more, everyone in the world would have a better life.

Effort my ass.... It is more run on connections.  I work my ass off for barely anything each day (10.54 a hour).  I can barely pay bills and have spending money left over.  Effort is only part of the entire situation.  One with better connections stand better chance at succeeding.  A lot of rich people were given the wealth through their families.  Sure tons worked hard / thought of ideas to become rich but most were handed down through family.  You can work your ass off at a factory your entire life and not accumulate any wealth....



TheRealMafoo on 10 July 2010
sethnintendo said:

Effort my ass it is more run on connections.  I work my ass off for barely anything each day.  I can barely pay bills and have spending money left over.  Effort is only part of the entire situation.  One with better connections stand better chance at succeeding.  A lot of rich people were given the wealth through their families.  Sure tons worked hard / thought of ideas to become rich but most were handed down through family.  You can work your ass off at a factory your entire life and not accumulate any wealth....


Sit at home and stop creating any effort, and see what happens to your quality of life. I am not saying two peoples efforts produce the same results, I am just saying all results (money in this case), comes from effort.

Please, if you can figure out a way to do nothing at all and make money, please tell me. I would love to know. Last I checked, every dollar made was earned (and welfare dollars were earned, just by someone else).

And when a child is given money from there parents, that's the choice the parents made to sacrifice enjoying there efforts, to share them with there family. That money is not free. It was earned, and shared.

Now I don't know your situation, But I bet if you spent a little more effort trying to better your situation, let's say take night school classes to earn a degree in something marketable, you could improve your income. That comes from more effort.

I could make a lot more money if I wanted to spend more effort doing so. I prefer to live at my current standard of living and spend the free time I have doing things I want. It's my choice.

Your standard of living is your choice too. There are things I am sure you can do to make more money in 10 years, but most likely are not willing to put forth the effort. I am not judging you, I might not wish to as well giving whatever your circumstances are.  The point is the ability is there, it's just hard.

If it was easy, everyone would do it.



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TheRealMafoo on 10 July 2010
Snesboy said:
chocoloco said:

Man, If Macain had won the election I would have left for Canada. Good luck to you.

Also if a Republican beats Obama in the next election, hello British Columbia.


You are missing the point. The problem isn't the administration. It's the government itself and it's programs.


Yea, here is a fun exercise to do.

Take out a pen and paper, and write down all the thing you hated about Bush, and all the things you wanted changed with a new administration.

Now strike though all of them that Obama fixed, or at least changed. Here is a common set of items:

  • Unemployment
  • Out of control spending
  • War in Iraq
  • War in Afganistan
  • Wire Tapping
  • Gitmo
  • Water boarding.
  • immigration
  • Economy
Aside from water boarding (and to the average american, that's way don't on there list of importance), not a damn thing as changed for the better, and most of those have gotten worse. So why would it matter if McCain had won? 


Kasz216 on 11 July 2010
sethnintendo said:

@Kasz, so do those stats take into account any personal debt.  Someone can be considered above poverty line due to job but in head over heals in debt.  Those stats prove nothing cause debt isn't considered.  I was stating that debt controls people.   Most people work in dead in jobs barely getting pay increases while the CEOs get huge increases.  It is like Congress giving themselves pay increases each year for doing nothing (sure some CEOs actually do things but I highly doubt they deserve the wage increases they get compared to their workers that help the company the most).

So... the stats don't count because debt isn't included... and most people are in dead end jobs with lots of debt.

You do see where you are greatly contradicting yourself there, right?

For some more stats.

The average household makes about 50,000 a year.  Do you really consider $50,000 or higher dead end if most people are making that?

The average man makes 3.7X minimum wage, and the average woman makes 2.9X minimium wage.



sethnintendo on 11 July 2010
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

@Kasz, so do those stats take into account any personal debt.  Someone can be considered above poverty line due to job but in head over heals in debt.  Those stats prove nothing cause debt isn't considered.  I was stating that debt controls people.   Most people work in dead in jobs barely getting pay increases while the CEOs get huge increases.  It is like Congress giving themselves pay increases each year for doing nothing (sure some CEOs actually do things but I highly doubt they deserve the wage increases they get compared to their workers that help the company the most).

So... the stats don't count because debt isn't included... and most people are in dead end jobs with lots of debt.

You do see where you are greatly contradicting yourself there, right?

For some more stats.

The average household makes about 50,000 a year.  Do you really consider $50,000 or higher dead end if most people are making that?

If average household is only pulling in 50k yea I consider that dead end.  50k per year for two people working full time isn't shit in USA.  You can't even support a family without relying on government with that wage.  I make barely over 20k per year.  I would hate to imagine if I had a kid.  50k / 2 is 25k per year.  That is barely over 11 dollars a hour.  With cost of living and other factors included you could barely support 1 child with those wages without relying on the government.



Kasz216 on 11 July 2010
sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

@Kasz, so do those stats take into account any personal debt.  Someone can be considered above poverty line due to job but in head over heals in debt.  Those stats prove nothing cause debt isn't considered.  I was stating that debt controls people.   Most people work in dead in jobs barely getting pay increases while the CEOs get huge increases.  It is like Congress giving themselves pay increases each year for doing nothing (sure some CEOs actually do things but I highly doubt they deserve the wage increases they get compared to their workers that help the company the most).

So... the stats don't count because debt isn't included... and most people are in dead end jobs with lots of debt.

You do see where you are greatly contradicting yourself there, right?

For some more stats.

The average household makes about 50,000 a year.  Do you really consider $50,000 or higher dead end if most people are making that?

If average household is only pulling in 50k yea I consider that dead end.  50k per year for two people working full time isn't shit in USA.  You can't even support a family without relying on government with that wage.  I make barely over 20k per year.  I would hate to imagine if I had a kid.  50k / 2 is 25k per year.  That is barely over 11 dollars a hour.  With cost of living and other factors included you could barely support 1 child with those wages without relying on the government.

It's 50K with 1 hourshold earner on average.  Note how it's 3.7 times minimum wage and 2.9 times minium wage.

That would be $28 and $21 dollars an hour for the average person.

Also, yes the number DO include households where there is nobody earning wages.

Also... my dad made like 40-50K a year... he raised me fine.... he's actually got a lot of extra money saved up.  I'm not worried about my parents retirement finances in the least.



sethnintendo on 11 July 2010

@Therealmafoo, I understand where you are coming from.  Sure I could better myself and I am trying.  I picked Wildlife and Fisheries Management as my degree.  I don't really care about getting rich/etc..  What I do want is to get a job in wildlife field.  I have yet to be able to step my foot in the door into wildlife field event though I apply online (usajobs.gov, etc...) jobs.   Sure I might have missed that one job that I could have been picked for but the whole application / waiting / not getting any response is frustrating.  I won't give up.  Anyways, I can't disagree with you too much.  Most of my rants on this thread is due to frustration of not being able to do what I want to do.  I am stuck in factory job but I know eventually I will get my chance.  I hope the best for you in New Zealand.  I have thought many times of just moving away.  Hope the best for you and your soon to be new small business.