dahuman said:
mrstickball said:
...Why is a 20 year old trying to correct a 30-something about work ethic?
Has the world got that bad? Really?
And FYI, Noddy, most of the poor people I know (and I know a lot of them) are that way because they are indeed lazy or stupid. No one wants to be poor - you are right about that - but not every one wants to take the steps needed to get out of it. I have friends that are in poverty, and could easily get out of it, but demand to spend $20-$30 on take-out dinners 2, 3 and even 4 times a week. I know others that drink and smoke, then complain about not having money. I could go on and on about the poor people I know, but in 80-90% of situations, they are self-inflicted.
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lazy about life is the worst thing, thank you for pointing that out.
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Yes, its a disease. I know a lot of people with it.
I could rattle off probably ~2 dozen families that are either at, or in poverty that I am close to. In 90% of the situations, I can identify why they are poor, and the steps they could take to rectify the situation. I've even made suggestions to them (some my own family), and they won't listen, because the steps are too inconvenient to them.
There are certainly some situations that are well beyond what one can typical do to rectify the situation - they do exist, but they are far from the normality of the situation.
I'll give you an example of a very close friend of mine:
Single father. Makes about $1,800/mo after taxes. Has money taken out for health, vision, dental, and tries to save back for 401k (but really doesn't since its not automatically taken out). Has a daughter, age 10. He is in poverty, or near it. He has virtually 'nothing' that wasn't given to him, or he has a line of credit out on.
Yet, the fact is, I've sat him down, and explained how his $1,800 a month would be enough to not only survive on, but thrive on. He would have to make some difficult decisions like letting his daughter change schools to the district he is in, which would reduce his $450/mo babysitting costs. He would also have to not eat out every day of the week (saving about $100/mo or more). He could also give his car back to the auto dealer, and get a $2,500 car to reduce his insurance car payments (save about $150/mo).
However, despite the fact I've suggested this for over a year now, he has failed to take any of my advice. He still lives in poverty, and will continue to do so, until his daughter either moves out, or stops being babysat about 3 years from now..If he trusts her being at home, that is. Ultimately, he is unwilling to do things that he's uncomfortable with to fix his situation.
Now, in his situation, I think its easily correctable...Does that mean that due to his situation (screwing a woman, then keeping the kid, making stupid choices, ect), he should give massive government support? I don't think so.