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mrstickball said:

...Why is a 20 year old trying to correct a 30-something about work ethic?

Has the world got that bad? Really?

And FYI, Noddy, most of the poor people I know (and I know a lot of them) are that way because they are indeed lazy or stupid. No one wants to be poor - you are right about that - but not every one wants to take the steps needed to get out of it. I have friends that are in poverty, and could easily get out of it, but demand to spend $20-$30 on take-out dinners 2, 3 and even 4 times a week. I know others that drink and smoke, then complain about not having money. I could go on and on about the poor people I know, but in 80-90% of situations, they are self-inflicted.


yes, because clearly being younger always means my opinion is wrong...*facepalm*

maybe its just you being overly judgemental, its not just that you wont see them ALL the time, so cant judge like that, but you can also add to that, that many of the things you say they do, OUR CAPITALIST SOCIETY tells them to do...



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NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
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dahuman said:
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dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:

wait, he is leaving his country because people like equality? thats crazy...what kind of awful nation doesnt like having more equality?


If you are down for socialism or communisim, sure, personally though, I work hard for my money and I have no problems paying my taxes, the problem is the people without hope or are simply lazy, I don't believe in unluckiness past certain percentage. I'd definitely pick the 60-100 and not 40-45.


you think people on low incomes dont work hard? tells me all I need to know about capitalists then doesnt it?

they are not fecking lazy, your lazy for calling them lazy though.

I would rather live in a nation where people all have a good standard of living, than one where some people live in luxury whilst others are left to rot on the streets, if that makes you neo-liberal peeps hate me, then so be it.

I worked at an ice cream store when I was in High School(another job with the school district doing computing, yeah I had 2 fucking jobs even back in high school, I started working at 14) if I was still working at an ice cream store now, I'd fucking slap myself 10 ways til sun down. To this day, I don't know what those 30ish year olds were doing working there who were not even managers, fuckers were either too stupid or just fucking lazy asses who didn't want to bother with school, or dumb asses that had a kid too early without using a brain, lazy about life is the worst laziness there can be.

again, this seems to be more to do with arrogance and an attitude problem on your part than any failing of others, everyone has different lifes and different problems, you are in no position to judge them for it.


If this was 10-15 years ago, I might just feel the same way that you do, but now, the only thing I'll say is come back in 15 years and tell me that same bullshit, I'll be waiting.

what a load of nonsensical bs, my mam is 46 and she has very similar views to mine, so there goes your "theory"


So you are happy being the same way and have no thought of your own? time to get the hell out of that nest.


so im not allowed to agree with my mam now? great...more judgement from someone who knows nothing about me...

your original posts were saying that everybody should be about the same and that's ideal because there are people who are simply not good enough, humans are not that stupid if they bother to broaden their horrizon, how much do you even get out?



NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:

wait, he is leaving his country because people like equality? thats crazy...what kind of awful nation doesnt like having more equality?


If you are down for socialism or communisim, sure, personally though, I work hard for my money and I have no problems paying my taxes, the problem is the people without hope or are simply lazy, I don't believe in unluckiness past certain percentage. I'd definitely pick the 60-100 and not 40-45.


you think people on low incomes dont work hard? tells me all I need to know about capitalists then doesnt it?

they are not fecking lazy, your lazy for calling them lazy though.

I would rather live in a nation where people all have a good standard of living, than one where some people live in luxury whilst others are left to rot on the streets, if that makes you neo-liberal peeps hate me, then so be it.

I worked at an ice cream store when I was in High School(another job with the school district doing computing, yeah I had 2 fucking jobs even back in high school, I started working at 14) if I was still working at an ice cream store now, I'd fucking slap myself 10 ways til sun down. To this day, I don't know what those 30ish year olds were doing working there who were not even managers, fuckers were either too stupid or just fucking lazy asses who didn't want to bother with school, or dumb asses that had a kid too early without using a brain, lazy about life is the worst laziness there can be.

again, this seems to be more to do with arrogance and an attitude problem on your part than any failing of others, everyone has different lifes and different problems, you are in no position to judge them for it.


If this was 10-15 years ago, I might just feel the same way that you do, but now, the only thing I'll say is come back in 15 years and tell me that same bullshit, I'll be waiting.

what a load of nonsensical bs, my mam is 46 and she has very similar views to mine, so there goes your "theory"


So you are happy being the same way and have no thought of your own? time to get the hell out of that nest.


so im not allowed to agree with my mam now? great...more judgement from someone who knows nothing about me...

it's not my fault that your mom is the queen of negativity that affected you OK? people are not that stupid in general.



Most libertarians, liberals and conservatives support the removal of arbitrary barriers to success in order to promote equality of opportunity. Most progressives and socialists believe in the introduction of arbitrary barriers to success in order to promote equality of outcomes. 

When you eliminate the ultra-rare outliers, outcomes in most areas in life follow a series of rational rules that (if understood) lead to a person’s success; and the rules generally punish inaction and instant gratification and reward action and self discipline. Of every person I have met who blames their poor outcomes on "the system" I have met several more who had worse opportunities who are more successful than them because they made decisions and worked hard to achieve their success.



NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:

...Why is a 20 year old trying to correct a 30-something about work ethic?

Has the world got that bad? Really?

And FYI, Noddy, most of the poor people I know (and I know a lot of them) are that way because they are indeed lazy or stupid. No one wants to be poor - you are right about that - but not every one wants to take the steps needed to get out of it. I have friends that are in poverty, and could easily get out of it, but demand to spend $20-$30 on take-out dinners 2, 3 and even 4 times a week. I know others that drink and smoke, then complain about not having money. I could go on and on about the poor people I know, but in 80-90% of situations, they are self-inflicted.


yes, because clearly being younger always means my opinion is wrong...*facepalm*

maybe its just you being overly judgemental, its not just that you wont see them ALL the time, so cant judge like that, but you can also add to that, that many of the things you say they do, OUR CAPITALIST SOCIETY tells them to do...


opinion will only get you so far into the facts of society, that's just a friendly advice, take it or leave it, I'll stay proud of myself til the end.



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dahuman said:
mrstickball said:

...Why is a 20 year old trying to correct a 30-something about work ethic?

Has the world got that bad? Really?

And FYI, Noddy, most of the poor people I know (and I know a lot of them) are that way because they are indeed lazy or stupid. No one wants to be poor - you are right about that - but not every one wants to take the steps needed to get out of it. I have friends that are in poverty, and could easily get out of it, but demand to spend $20-$30 on take-out dinners 2, 3 and even 4 times a week. I know others that drink and smoke, then complain about not having money. I could go on and on about the poor people I know, but in 80-90% of situations, they are self-inflicted.


lazy about life is the worst thing, thank you for pointing that out.

Yes, its a disease. I know a lot of people with it.

I could rattle off probably ~2 dozen families that are either at, or in poverty that I am close to. In 90% of the situations, I can identify why they are poor, and the steps they could take to rectify the situation. I've even made suggestions to them (some my own family), and they won't listen, because the steps are too inconvenient to them.

There are certainly some situations that are well beyond what one can typical do to rectify the situation - they do exist, but they are far from the normality of the situation.

 

I'll give you an example of a very close friend of mine:

Single father. Makes about $1,800/mo after taxes. Has money taken out for health, vision, dental, and tries to save back for 401k (but really doesn't since its not automatically taken out). Has a daughter, age 10. He is in poverty, or near it. He has virtually 'nothing' that wasn't given to him, or he has a line of credit out on.

Yet, the fact is, I've sat him down, and explained how his $1,800 a month would be enough to not only survive on, but thrive on. He would have to make some difficult decisions like letting his daughter change schools to the district he is in, which would reduce his $450/mo babysitting costs. He would also have to not eat out every day of the week (saving about $100/mo or more). He could also give his car back to the auto dealer, and get a $2,500 car to reduce his insurance car payments (save about $150/mo).

However, despite the fact I've suggested this for over a year now, he has failed to take any of my advice. He still lives in poverty, and will continue to do so, until his daughter either moves out, or stops being babysat about 3 years from now..If he trusts her being at home, that is. Ultimately, he is unwilling to do things that he's uncomfortable with to fix his situation.

 

Now, in his situation, I think its easily correctable...Does that mean that due to his situation (screwing a woman, then keeping the kid, making stupid choices, ect), he should give massive government support? I don't think so.



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NoddyHolder said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Dude, read my post. I said I am "no better then anyone else", meaning I think anyone who applies themselves can achieve what I did. How is that an Ego?

you think because you can do something that everyone can, which is dross.

you think you have the "right" to judge them for that, again, dross.

how is that not ego?

Ego is when you think you have accomplished something because you have some quality others don't have. That somehow your better then the next guy.

What I have, is pride. I am proud to have gotten where I am, because I worked hard for it with no inherent advantages.



NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:

...Why is a 20 year old trying to correct a 30-something about work ethic?

Has the world got that bad? Really?

And FYI, Noddy, most of the poor people I know (and I know a lot of them) are that way because they are indeed lazy or stupid. No one wants to be poor - you are right about that - but not every one wants to take the steps needed to get out of it. I have friends that are in poverty, and could easily get out of it, but demand to spend $20-$30 on take-out dinners 2, 3 and even 4 times a week. I know others that drink and smoke, then complain about not having money. I could go on and on about the poor people I know, but in 80-90% of situations, they are self-inflicted.


yes, because clearly being younger always means my opinion is wrong...*facepalm*

maybe its just you being overly judgemental, its not just that you wont see them ALL the time, so cant judge like that, but you can also add to that, that many of the things you say they do, OUR CAPITALIST SOCIETY tells them to do...

Here is the problem:

Have you ever had a job? Please answer that question. If your answer is 'no', you really lose any validity to debate someone that has worked hard, and seen great results from it. If 'yes', I would like to know how many years, and how it makes you feel if you work and get paid for it, knowing there are people as capable as you to do work, that will not, because they are on government benefits.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:

wait, he is leaving his country because people like equality? thats crazy...what kind of awful nation doesnt like having more equality?


If you are down for socialism or communisim, sure, personally though, I work hard for my money and I have no problems paying my taxes, the problem is the people without hope or are simply lazy, I don't believe in unluckiness past certain percentage. I'd definitely pick the 60-100 and not 40-45.


you think people on low incomes dont work hard? tells me all I need to know about capitalists then doesnt it?

they are not fecking lazy, your lazy for calling them lazy though.

I would rather live in a nation where people all have a good standard of living, than one where some people live in luxury whilst others are left to rot on the streets, if that makes you neo-liberal peeps hate me, then so be it.

I worked at an ice cream store when I was in High School(another job with the school district doing computing, yeah I had 2 fucking jobs even back in high school, I started working at 14) if I was still working at an ice cream store now, I'd fucking slap myself 10 ways til sun down. To this day, I don't know what those 30ish year olds were doing working there who were not even managers, fuckers were either too stupid or just fucking lazy asses who didn't want to bother with school, or dumb asses that had a kid too early without using a brain, lazy about life is the worst laziness there can be.

again, this seems to be more to do with arrogance and an attitude problem on your part than any failing of others, everyone has different lifes and different problems, you are in no position to judge them for it.


If this was 10-15 years ago, I might just feel the same way that you do, but now, the only thing I'll say is come back in 15 years and tell me that same bullshit, I'll be waiting.

what a load of nonsensical bs, my mam is 46 and she has very similar views to mine, so there goes your "theory"


So you are happy being the same way and have no thought of your own? time to get the hell out of that nest.


so im not allowed to agree with my mam now? great...more judgement from someone who knows nothing about me...

your original posts were saying that everybody should be about the same and that's ideal because there are people who are simply not good enough, humans are not that stupid if they bother to broaden their horrizon, how much do you even get out?

I get out plenty thank you.



mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:

...Why is a 20 year old trying to correct a 30-something about work ethic?

Has the world got that bad? Really?

And FYI, Noddy, most of the poor people I know (and I know a lot of them) are that way because they are indeed lazy or stupid. No one wants to be poor - you are right about that - but not every one wants to take the steps needed to get out of it. I have friends that are in poverty, and could easily get out of it, but demand to spend $20-$30 on take-out dinners 2, 3 and even 4 times a week. I know others that drink and smoke, then complain about not having money. I could go on and on about the poor people I know, but in 80-90% of situations, they are self-inflicted.


yes, because clearly being younger always means my opinion is wrong...*facepalm*

maybe its just you being overly judgemental, its not just that you wont see them ALL the time, so cant judge like that, but you can also add to that, that many of the things you say they do, OUR CAPITALIST SOCIETY tells them to do...

Here is the problem:

Have you ever had a job? Please answer that question. If your answer is 'no', you really lose any validity to debate someone that has worked hard, and seen great results from it. If 'yes', I would like to know how many years, and how it makes you feel if you work and get paid for it, knowing there are people as capable as you to do work, that will not, because they are on government benefits.


I have one now...I work in a corner shop behind the counter...3 days a week, 6 hours a day...pay is decent enough, I work hard too.

been working for about 2 months there 3 days a week, weekend job at the same shop for about a year before that.

I have friends on benefits, I have no issue with them doing so, they arent in work for whatever reasons, its not my place to judge, and they are all good people.