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numonex said:

 

Along came the Global Financial Crisis and the big Credit Crunch and the world is in big financial turmoil. Who was in for 8 years leading up the big crash? Boston Tea Party Republican George W.Bush  admin. wasted all the US tax payers money and raided pension funds to finance two Vietnam 2.0 Wars costing trillions plus interest. 

Generous tax cuts for the wealthy elite and huge US budget deficits were racked up every year under the careful governance of George W. Bush. 

Obama has not been able to turn things around because the US economy is royally screwed. Unemployment has doubled from 5% to 10%. The US deficits and national debt are growing and growing all the time. Asset prices have fallen all over. the two wars in Middle East continue with no end in sight. 

Austerity measures will kick in with increase taxes and cuts in spending. Short term pain for long term gain is needed to bring the Zombie US economy back from the dead.

The US Budget was balanced under the Democrats Clinton Admin. National debt was being paid off. Tax rates were higher under Clinton than under Bush. But the Government budget was balanced and the US economy was in a much better shape under President Clinton. Along came Republican George W. Bush who changed everything for the worse.


Dude, get off your politically brainwashed ass and do me a favor. Think for yourself.

First off, for 2 of the 8 years Bush was president, Congress was run by Democrats. Congress controls the budget, not the president. Like wise, many years under clinton, Republicans owned Congress.

It's not all "Democrats are awesome" and "Republicans are evil" or vise versa. The only people who could possibly think that, are those who have no thoughts of there own.



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numonex said:

 

Along came the Global Financial Crisis and the big Credit Crunch and the world is in big financial turmoil. Who was in for 8 years leading up the big crash? Boston Tea Party Republican George W.Bush  admin. wasted all the US tax payers money and raided pension funds to finance two Vietnam 2.0 Wars costing trillions plus interest. 

Generous tax cuts for the wealthy elite and huge US budget deficits were racked up every year under the careful governance of George W. Bush. 

Obama has not been able to turn things around because the US economy is royally screwed. Unemployment has doubled from 5% to 10%. The US deficits and national debt are growing and growing all the time. Asset prices have fallen all over. the two wars in Middle East continue with no end in sight. 

Austerity measures will kick in with increase taxes and cuts in spending. Short term pain for long term gain is needed to bring the Zombie US economy back from the dead.

The US Budget was balanced under the Democrats Clinton Admin. National debt was being paid off. Tax rates were higher under Clinton than under Bush. But the Government budget was balanced and the US economy was in a much better shape under President Clinton. Along came Republican George W. Bush who changed everything for the worse.

 


Regardless of their political affiliation, most experts associate the cause of the financial crisis to have been created long before George W. Bush came to power (in some cases the cause would date back several decades); and George W. Bush’s efforts to deal with the problems before they became a crisis (in 2003 and 2004) were blocked by the Democrat controlled congress. This isn’t a claim that George W. Bush was a good manager of the economy (he was a disaster) but the blame for the current state of the economy falls on Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Regan, and Jimmy Carter because they all have played their part in it.



numonex said:

Along came the Global Financial Crisis and the big Credit Crunch and the world is in big financial turmoil. Who was in for 8 years leading up the big crash? Boston Tea Party Republican George W.Bush  admin. wasted all the US tax payers money and raided pension funds to finance two Vietnam 2.0 Wars costing trillions plus interest. 

Generous tax cuts for the wealthy elite and huge US budget deficits were racked up every year under the careful governance of George W. Bush. 

Obama has not been able to turn things around because the US economy is royally screwed. Unemployment has doubled from 5% to 10%. The US deficits and national debt are growing and growing all the time. Asset prices have fallen all over. the two wars in Middle East continue with no end in sight. 

Austerity measures will kick in with increase taxes and cuts in spending. Short term pain for long term gain is needed to bring the Zombie US economy back from the dead.

The US Budget was balanced under the Democrats Clinton Admin. National debt was being paid off. Tax rates were higher under Clinton than under Bush. But the Government budget was balanced and the US economy was in a much better shape under President Clinton. Along came Republican George W. Bush who changed everything for the worse.

 

I don't think your from the US, so let me explain this:

Clinton had a Republican congress and senate. Look up Newt Gingrich and the 94 landslide victory. Clinton did not set the debt-reducing budget...Republicans did.

So I would think about that before attributing all the blame in the US to the republicans. The truth is, it takes two to tango. Neither party is totally guilty of whats happened, because both parties have had their hand in the problems. To assign blame to one, and only one, party like you are, is showing gross ignorance of the situation. Do not forget that Obama looks to raise the deficit more in 4 years (or even 3) than Bush did in 8....Not a good thing, when you have a significant control of congress and senate.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

I am not from the US so i would have no real idea about the complex US government and how it is run over there.

The Republicans were definitely not the only ones who caused the GFC. But it is too easy to dish out on former President George W. Bush.

The GFC was 30 years in the making. Successive US Governments Republican and Democrats: Carter,Reagan,Bush,Clinton,Bush Jr. and Obama are all to blame for their financial mismanagement of the US economy. The US Congress and US General reserve Bank also played a role in th terrible economic decision policies. But the corporations are the real problem

Wall Street Swindlers are to blame. Bernie Madoff and the other con artists are to blame. Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and the dodgy traders are to blame. But who will pick up the pieces and fix the problems in the US economy?

Why were these failing corporations bailed out at tax payers expense? Would it of been fair and reasonable to just let them collapse? 



numonex said:

I am not from the US so i would have no real idea about the complex US government and how it is run over there.

The Republicans were definitely not the only ones who caused the GFC. But it is too easy to dish out on former President George W. Bush.

The GFC was 30 years in the making. Successive US Governments Republican and Democrats: Carter,Reagan,Bush,Clinton,Bush Jr. and Obama are all to blame for their financial mismanagement of the US economy. The US Congress and US General reserve Bank also played a role in th terrible economic decision policies. But the corporations are the real problem

Wall Street Swindlers are to blame. Bernie Madoff and the other con artists are to blame. Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and the dodgy traders are to blame. But who will pick up the pieces and fix the problems in the US economy?

Why were these failing corporations bailed out at tax payers expense? Would it of been fair and reasonable to just let them collapse? 


Yes, it would of been fair and reasonable to let the bad banks collapse. They were the ones handing loans out to poor and ill-funded minorities that generated the toxic assets that were traded in derivatives.

If it was 30 years in the making, then why did you only praise Clinton and only attack Bush? Your trying to revise what your saying...It doesn't work. You hate Republicans, and love Democrats, it would seem, and only want to distort reality in such a way that only leads to one party - your favored party - being the only ones that have ever done anything positive for the meltdown.

And since, by your own admission, you are not from the US, I suggest you read up on how our government works before making idiotic, blanket statements like you have.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

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mrstickball said:
numonex said:

I am not from the US so i would have no real idea about the complex US government and how it is run over there.

The Republicans were definitely not the only ones who caused the GFC. But it is too easy to dish out on former President George W. Bush.

The GFC was 30 years in the making. Successive US Governments Republican and Democrats: Carter,Reagan,Bush,Clinton,Bush Jr. and Obama are all to blame for their financial mismanagement of the US economy. The US Congress and US General reserve Bank also played a role in th terrible economic decision policies. But the corporations are the real problem

Wall Street Swindlers are to blame. Bernie Madoff and the other con artists are to blame. Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and the dodgy traders are to blame. But who will pick up the pieces and fix the problems in the US economy?

Why were these failing corporations bailed out at tax payers expense? Would it of been fair and reasonable to just let them collapse? 


Yes, it would of been fair and reasonable to let the bad banks collapse. They were the ones handing loans out to poor and ill-funded minorities that generated the toxic assets that were traded in derivatives.

If it was 30 years in the making, then why did you only praise Clinton and only attack Bush? Your trying to revise what your saying...It doesn't work. You hate Republicans, and love Democrats, it would seem, and only want to distort reality in such a way that only leads to one party - your favored party - being the only ones that have ever done anything positive for the meltdown.

And since, by your own admission, you are not from the US, I suggest you read up on how our government works before making idiotic, blanket statements like you have.

Reminds me of a guy I know... lifelong democrat... HATES republicans. These are his beliefs.

Hates homoesexual relationships.

Thinks there is going to be a WW3 vs muslim nations.

Thinks taxes are too high and the goverment is too big.

Wants to legalize pot.

Anti-gun control.

And that's about it.



Have fun paying $200 for video games :P



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Tanstalas said:

Have fun paying $200 for video games :P

That's South America.



FootballFan said:
Tanstalas said:

Have fun paying $200 for video games :P

That's South America.


I was rounding up.. :P  I knew they were over the $100 mark anyhow.. just checked gamestop in NZ and looks like the games are about $130..

A wii 1 game = $498 lol



Unicorns ARE real - They are just fat, grey and called Rhinos

Tanstalas said:
FootballFan said:
Tanstalas said:

Have fun paying $200 for video games :P

That's South America.


I was rounding up.. :P  I knew they were over the $100 mark anyhow.. just checked gamestop in NZ and looks like the games are about $130..

A wii 1 game = $498 lol

3rd world countries and there god damn overpriced electronics