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kitler53 on 08 July 2010
Hyruken said:
i_p_freely said:
Hyruken said:
kitler53 said:
Hyruken said:

Er hang on....You just said

"most of the games they have are clones of experiences on the wii.  i doubt too many people will give up their wiis for a 360 "

But then said

"sony should do okay-ish with move." 

That seems a bit hypocritical to me. How can you say one will do bad as it is a clone of the Wii (Kinect) but the other do well? (Move). In terms of clones isn't having a motion control controller and navigation controller a copy of a Wii remote and Nunchuck? I mean is that experience not the same as on the Wii then?

Kinect is different from the Wii remote system because you don't need a remote! That is a big difference, that is something neither Nintendo or Sony can offer. That does not mean it will sell loads it just means that you can't say the experience is the same on Wii as it is with Kinect as that is just wrong.

In terms of sales i think the obvious new arcade slim and it's price cut will be what wins holiday for 360. People seem to be ignoring that in some regions PS3 is already down year over year. To drive sales it is going to need more then just GT5. GT5 will help shift a few consoles but not millions...The majority of GT fans will already own a PS3 now. If Sony can make a big ish price cut then it will do well. If not then it will get crushed this holiday. People will not pay £300 for a PS3 then £100 to get the Move components. That is just crazy thinking.

i'm not really sure what you are even confused on so let me be more specific.

move and kinect both have wii rip off experiences - dancing games, sports complilations, exercise games.  none of those games seem to do anything "new" that will cause these devices to sell to the crowd that are buying wiis, imo.

move supports some core games like lbp, echochrome 2, socom, ect.  kinect does not.  i suspect that move will sell more than kinect to the existing owners.  killzone fans may want move for killzone 3.  halo fans will want kinect for what.. kinectiamals?  doubtful.

see,  i stated that neither of these new devices will drive hardware sales.  its just that in the case of my ps3 statement you decided to crop what i wrote to change the meaning of the statement.



Maybe they would want it for games like Fable 3, Forza 4?

Your statment is basically implying Move is more appealing to the wider audience. I disagree. There will be all types of people interested in Kinect. Those who want to play games like Fable 3,Star Wars etc. There will be those who want to keep fit with the fitness game, those who like dance games like the dance game. And then there will be those who like Kinect for it's other features such as voice activated television control/video conferencing. Some will be interested in it for the ESPN sports deal. Lot's of people watch sports right? etc etc

You can't pigeon hole Kinect into one bracket of people....

You don't need Kinect for ESPN, just xbox live.



I thought you needed it to be able to use all the interactive features i.e asking it to replay the last 30 secs when you want?

nope, kinect support is suppose to exist but the normal controller will work just fine.



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Wonktonodi on 08 July 2010
Hyruken said:
Jay520 said:
Hyruken said:

Er hang on....You just said

"most of the games they have are clones of experiences on the wii.  i doubt too many people will give up their wiis for a 360 "

But then said

"sony should do okay-ish with move." 

That seems a bit hypocritical to me. How can you say one will do bad as it is a clone of the Wii (Kinect) but the other do well? (Move). In terms of clones isn't having a motion control controller and navigation controller a copy of a Wii remote and Nunchuck? I mean is that experience not the same as on the Wii then?

Kinect is different from the Wii remote system because you don't need a remote! That is a big difference, that is something neither Nintendo or Sony can offer. That does not mean it will sell loads it just means that you can't say the experience is the same on Wii as it is with Kinect as that is just wrong.

In terms of sales i think the obvious new arcade slim and it's price cut will be what wins holiday for 360. People seem to be ignoring that in some regions PS3 is already down year over year. To drive sales it is going to need more then just GT5. GT5 will help shift a few consoles but not millions...The majority of GT fans will already own a PS3 now. If Sony can make a big ish price cut then it will do well. If not then it will get crushed this holiday. People will not pay £300 for a PS3 then £100 to get the Move components. That is just crazy thinking.


What leads you to believe this?


Because the PS3 is a few months away from entering it's 5th year on sale. I doubt very much after half a decade those die hard fans have waited around twidling their thumbs playing PS2 waiting to upgrade. Those die hards would of done so when Pro-logue came out.


about to enter it's 5th year is different from finishing it's 5th year.  Currently it's less than 4 years on the market. In a few months it will still be a year a way from being on the market for half a decade.  That's going by the launch date total and not even getting into the fact that many places had it launch 5 months later. 



PS_Move on 08 July 2010
WilliamWatts said:
PS_Move said:
WilliamWatts said:

It seems like every even year the PS3 has relatively strong sales compared the Xbox 360 during the year but the Xbox 360 has relatively stronger sales during the holidays and every odd year the Xbox 360 relatively better during the year and the PS3 does better during the holidays. Except of course when the PS3 wasn't out.

Year = non holiday. Holiday = late Q3->Q4

2006 -> PS3 not out and the Xbox 360 has a strong holiday.

2007 -> The Xbox 360 has a strong year but the PS3 has a strong holiday.

2008 -> The PS3 has a strong year but the 360 has a strong holiday.

2009 -> The Xbox 360 has a strong year but the PS3 has a strong holiday.

2010 -> The PS3 has a strong year... but the Xbox 360 has started to do better closer to the holiday... to be continued.

It seems that every year for about a year people are certain the PS3 will pass the Xbox 360, then next year people are certain that the PS3 will never pass the Xbox 360... if trends continued. Im not about to rule out the trend of no long term trends continuing and im not about to rule out the possibility it will be broken.

So basicly I think Microsoft will do their massive advertising campaign with Kinect, ESPN, price cuts etc and they will do really well in the holidays because consumer confidence is low and people will pick the cheaper options, Move will be more of a slow burn initially but pick up sometime in 2011 with Sony core games like Killzone 3 and Kinect may slow down at the same time in time for yet another dramatic PS3 price cut for Q3/Q4 2011 so people will be praising how smart/intelligent Microsoft is until of course they change their tunes in the later part of next year like what has always happened. Essentially a repeat of 2008 to 2009...

Agree?

 

 

I own a wii as well but even I could see that in 2009- so far in 2010 ps3>>x360

Anyway from what I have seen GT5 is coming out soon, KInect will only sell to americans so gt5 will allow ps3>>x360 but only in EMEAA and Japan (ww sales will be more than x360).

I think that Kinect is just a more advanced eyetoy copy to be honest and I can't see wii users wanting to upgrade to a 360 and then paying $140 for an advanced eyetoy.

The same applies for the move wii users will look on it as a copy(of wiiremote), even though it's more precise and has augmented reality, they Wont be upgrading and paying out $399(ps3 and psmove) for it. I am an exception as I actually want the ps move for the better precision and augmented reality, I like realistic games, and to be honest the wii let me down on it's promise, even after wm plus came out the support for it has been really poor, so I am upgrading to ps3 and ps move come september.


You're a sock puppet from what I can tell.

yeah obviously so from your biased view...



Hyruken on 08 July 2010
Wonktonodi said:
Hyruken said:
Jay520 said:
Hyruken said:

Er hang on....You just said

"most of the games they have are clones of experiences on the wii.  i doubt too many people will give up their wiis for a 360 "

But then said

"sony should do okay-ish with move." 

That seems a bit hypocritical to me. How can you say one will do bad as it is a clone of the Wii (Kinect) but the other do well? (Move). In terms of clones isn't having a motion control controller and navigation controller a copy of a Wii remote and Nunchuck? I mean is that experience not the same as on the Wii then?

Kinect is different from the Wii remote system because you don't need a remote! That is a big difference, that is something neither Nintendo or Sony can offer. That does not mean it will sell loads it just means that you can't say the experience is the same on Wii as it is with Kinect as that is just wrong.

In terms of sales i think the obvious new arcade slim and it's price cut will be what wins holiday for 360. People seem to be ignoring that in some regions PS3 is already down year over year. To drive sales it is going to need more then just GT5. GT5 will help shift a few consoles but not millions...The majority of GT fans will already own a PS3 now. If Sony can make a big ish price cut then it will do well. If not then it will get crushed this holiday. People will not pay £300 for a PS3 then £100 to get the Move components. That is just crazy thinking.


What leads you to believe this?


Because the PS3 is a few months away from entering it's 5th year on sale. I doubt very much after half a decade those die hard fans have waited around twidling their thumbs playing PS2 waiting to upgrade. Those die hards would of done so when Pro-logue came out.


about to enter it's 5th year is different from finishing it's 5th year.  Currently it's less than 4 years on the market. In a few months it will still be a year a way from being on the market for half a decade.  That's going by the launch date total and not even getting into the fact that many places had it launch 5 months later. 



The point was it is not new, it lost it's new tag along time ago. Those people who wanted it badly will have got it by now. It needs things to stimulate sales i.e price cuts.