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Scruff7 on 30 July 2010
Nintari said:

See...look at you. You think you have the answers while the other side doesn't. No one has the answers. And so, what we should all do is shut the hell up and let everyone live their lives in whatever way makes he/she happiest. If believing in God makes you happy and it's what you want to do with your life, good. If not believing in God makes you happy and makes sense to you, good. But both sides need to leave it at that and stop being douche bags because if you try, you BOTH look like idiots.

 

I mean, it's like arguing over who would win in a fight...Superman or Spiderman.


Superman... ;)

Happy to lay down arms.



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Rath on 30 July 2010
Nintari said:

See...look at you. You think you have the answers while the other side doesn't. No one has the answers. And so, what we should all do is shut the hell up and let everyone live their lives in whatever way makes he/she happiest. If believing in God makes you happy and it's what you want to do with your life, good. If not believing in God makes you happy and makes sense to you, good. But both sides need to leave it at that and stop being douche bags because if you try, you BOTH look like idiots.

 

I mean, it's like arguing over who would win in a fight...Superman or Spiderman.


That would be all fine and dandy if it wasn't for the fact that religion has a very real affect on social issues, such as abortion, homosexuality, stem cell research, science teaching etcetera.

Also superman clearly. Though batman would waste them both.



Farmageddon on 30 July 2010

What if Spiderman has acces to Kriptonite?

On-topic:

I think Religious people, or at least Crhistians, kind of have to "share the good news", don't they?

I mean, they are supposed, by their holy book, to try and convert as many people as they can. Also, they believe you're ignorant, blindened by the devil, if you're not a memeber of their religion, and that you'll surelly spend all eternity suffering as much as possible, or even more than that. It would be kinda fucked up not to try and get you out of it.

Now atheist don't believe any of that so they get annoyed when being preached and counter-preach. I'd say Atheists should get tje high road here, since they are the only ones who can without being complete asses according to their own beliefs. The real problem comes when religious people start to do more than just annoy, like messing up with lçaws and all that, and there's no easy solution on that case, so the eventual debate is more or less impossible to dodge from.



Scruff7 on 30 July 2010
Rath said:
Nintari said:

See...look at you. You think you have the answers while the other side doesn't. No one has the answers. And so, what we should all do is shut the hell up and let everyone live their lives in whatever way makes he/she happiest. If believing in God makes you happy and it's what you want to do with your life, good. If not believing in God makes you happy and makes sense to you, good. But both sides need to leave it at that and stop being douche bags because if you try, you BOTH look like idiots.

 

I mean, it's like arguing over who would win in a fight...Superman or Spiderman.


That would be all fine and dandy if it wasn't for the fact that religion has a very real affect on social issues, such as abortion, homosexuality, stem cell research, science teaching etcetera.

Also superman clearly. Though batman would waste them both.


Bullshit.

 

 

 

 

Superman would have Batman any day of the week.

 

Jesus Christ vs Superman?



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Farmageddon on 30 July 2010
Scruff7 said:
Rath said:


That would be all fine and dandy if it wasn't for the fact that religion has a very real affect on social issues, such as abortion, homosexuality, stem cell research, science teaching etcetera.

Also superman clearly. Though batman would waste them both.


Bullshit.

 

 

 

 

Superman would have Batman any day of the week.

 

Jesus Christ vs Superman?

JC is like a monk on AoE, so he'd convert Super Man.But Super Man is really fast. So I guess JC would first get him super-drunk, than convert him. If it fails the Man can always resurrect and try again.



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Scruff7 on 30 July 2010
Farmageddon said:
Scruff7 said:
Rath said:


That would be all fine and dandy if it wasn't for the fact that religion has a very real affect on social issues, such as abortion, homosexuality, stem cell research, science teaching etcetera.

Also superman clearly. Though batman would waste them both.


Bullshit.

 

 

 

 

Superman would have Batman any day of the week.

 

Jesus Christ vs Superman?

JC is like a monk on AoE, so he'd convert Super Man.But Super Man is really fast. So I guess JC would first get him super-drunk, than convert him. If it fails the Man can always resurrect and try again.

OK, how about JC vs Darth Vader?



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Farmageddon on 31 July 2010
Scruff7 said:
Farmageddon said:

JC is like a monk on AoE, so he'd convert Super Man.But Super Man is really fast. So I guess JC would first get him super-drunk, than convert him. If it fails the Man can always resurrect and try again.

OK, how about JC vs Darth Vader?


Lol. Depends. Is Darth Vader... His father?



pizzahut451 on 31 July 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Serial monogamy means marrying your brother's widow. Any child you have with your brother's widow is considered a child of your deceased brother. Onan refused to have children that would not be considered his own. That was no reason to be killed.

"no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law"

This reply wasn't directed at me, but I personally don't find  "sodomy" and "lust" justifiable reasons to kill anyone. Hope I never meet a judge that thinks like you.

in my opinion, Lust and Sodomy arent justifiable reasons to kill anyone, but city where  rape, slavery,selling people like they are merchandise, lust and sodomy are allowed should definitely be destoyed

So you do believe that "lust" and "sodomy" are legitimate reasons to kill anyone?

Haven't you ever lusted after anybody? Haven't you ever had anal sex? If the answer to one or both those questions is "yes", than please sir behave according to you beleifs and punish yourself appropriately.


funny how you ignore the big reasons why Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed and focus on the minor ones, lol



pizzahut451 on 31 July 2010
lestatdark said:
pizzahut451 said:
lestatdark said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

So, did the hundreds of thousand of people murdered in Europe during the Inquisition days, deserve that fate as well? The Malleus Maleficarum word was held as true as the bible's word in those days. 

Every religion has it's pros and cons. Unfortunately, some of the cons of certain religions are way too inhumane to just ignore.

no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law :P

No religious motive should ever be used to justify the slaying of anyone, that's ridiculous and pure fanaticism. And in the inquisition it was much more than just women who mixed plants who got murdered and innocently accused. You'd do well to read up on a non-church view of the inquisition.

For a supposed religion of peace and love, there has been far to many stains in the cloth of Christianity, both in the old testament and post-Jesus. 

 

if your takling about Soddom and Gommorah, then the word slaughter was never mentioned in their story. They were cities of sin and evil and thats why they got destoyed. And like i said, it was the corrupted CATHOLIC* church and their priests  who killed all the innocent people and lied the people saying that money will earn them the salvation from hell. THEY killed people,not bible, not Jesus, not God, but them. And just becuase they call themselfes chrristians doesnt make them real christians at all. Have you played Assasins Creed II?

 

*Its good to know that catholic church was the only one who performed the inquisition on people, while orthodox christisan church and protestants didnt do anything like that. Does that tells you anything?



lestatdark on 31 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
lestatdark said:
pizzahut451 said:
lestatdark said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

So, did the hundreds of thousand of people murdered in Europe during the Inquisition days, deserve that fate as well? The Malleus Maleficarum word was held as true as the bible's word in those days. 

Every religion has it's pros and cons. Unfortunately, some of the cons of certain religions are way too inhumane to just ignore.

no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law :P

No religious motive should ever be used to justify the slaying of anyone, that's ridiculous and pure fanaticism. And in the inquisition it was much more than just women who mixed plants who got murdered and innocently accused. You'd do well to read up on a non-church view of the inquisition.

For a supposed religion of peace and love, there has been far to many stains in the cloth of Christianity, both in the old testament and post-Jesus. 

 

if your takling about Soddom and Gommorah, then the world slaughter was never mentioned in their story. They were cities of sin and evil and thats why they got destoyed. And like i said, it was the corrupted CATHOLIC* church and their priests  who killed all the innocent people and lied the people saying that money will earn them the salvation from hell. THEY killed people,not bible, not Jesus, not God, but them. And just becuase they call themselfes chrristians doesnt make them real christians at all.

 

*Its good to know that catholic church was the only one who performed the inquisition on people, while orthodox christisan church and protestants didnt do anything like that. Does that tells you anything?


Of course it was people who did those acts, even in the past it was the same. Why? Because people are flawed and they're going to interpret whatever they want to interpret from anything. The same goes for the bible. It was written by men, compiled by me who left out parts that didn't serve their interests and interpreted by men who use that interpretation for their own interests as well. 

That's why i'm saying, no religious motive ever justify the killing, destruction or annihilation of people, civilizations and many other things that are done in the name of religion worlwide. It's not only catholic christians that are to blame for this, but they have been one of the most destructive religions throughout their history, that's for sure.



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