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Kamal on 28 July 2010

It's funny how threads about religion keeps popping up everywhere these days.



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FaRmLaNd on 28 July 2010

Religion needs to be quenstioned and kept in line at all costs. Not questioning religion and allowing it too much power in many cases leads to theocracy. Which the vast majority of the time a horrible horrible form of goverment.



Rath on 28 July 2010
silicon said:

It's a shame since there are so many positive benefits of religion and being religious.


Even if there were benefits, doesnt make it right.



HALOOOOOOOO on 29 July 2010

I live in one of the most non-religious states, but I'd like to figure out what the most/least religious areas are.



pizzahut451 on 29 July 2010
Armads said:
silicon said:

It's a shame since there are so many positive benefits of religion and being religious.


Benefits of religion:

-less likely to abuse alcohol or drugs

-charity

 

Cons of religion:

-higher homicide rate

-Higher poverty rate

-Higher infant mortality rate (who knows what's behind that one)

-Higher illiteracy rates

-higher divorce rates

-Lower levels of education

-Lower levels of gender equality

 

If you want to argue self-fulfillment then you're going to have to prove that no one can be happy while not believing in god, which isn't true. But other than what I listed can you give me some other benefits of being religious?


you're joking right?



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pizzahut451 on 29 July 2010
NKAJ said:
pizzahut451 said:
NKAJ said:
pizzahut451 said:
alekth said:

From European Values statistics 2008: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb69/eb69_values_en.pdf

"It should also be noted that 27% of respondents in Cyprus, 26% in Malta and 19% in Romania mentioned religion as one of the most important values for them personally, compared with 7% on average for the European Union."

Religion simply isn't widely encouraged in Europe. As sad as it is for it to be the last one standing, as far as Christianity goes, the Roman Catholic church will probably last the longest in terms of any real influence, and they've been working hard on alienating people as of lately.

''Love'' ''Peace'' ''Freedom'' ''Justice''...  I think you'll find that religion STANDS UP for all those things

Yes I'm quite sure all the persecuted gays agree with you on that one. To be fair,most religious books are a pick and mix affair with violence and peace,hate and love and so on...


its great that you judge religion based on some fanatics and that you take the stories from bible too literally ( the ones from old testament, which is btw irrelevant to most christians), nice job


a) I wasn't judging religion on a few fanatics.I was giving an example of how not all is merry about religion.Also i do have a valid point,there are quite a few countries where it is actually illegal to be a homosexual which is quite frankly absurd.The only "evidence" to support the outlawing of homosexuality is usually some religious book.

b) Sorry when did I take the stories from the bible literally? Even when i was a catholic I never seriously took all of the tales seriously.

c) Who says i was talking exclusively about christianity?

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.



sapphi_snake on 29 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
NKAJ said:
pizzahut451 said:
NKAJ said:
pizzahut451 said:
alekth said:

From European Values statistics 2008: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb69/eb69_values_en.pdf

"It should also be noted that 27% of respondents in Cyprus, 26% in Malta and 19% in Romania mentioned religion as one of the most important values for them personally, compared with 7% on average for the European Union."

Religion simply isn't widely encouraged in Europe. As sad as it is for it to be the last one standing, as far as Christianity goes, the Roman Catholic church will probably last the longest in terms of any real influence, and they've been working hard on alienating people as of lately.

''Love'' ''Peace'' ''Freedom'' ''Justice''...  I think you'll find that religion STANDS UP for all those things

Yes I'm quite sure all the persecuted gays agree with you on that one. To be fair,most religious books are a pick and mix affair with violence and peace,hate and love and so on...


its great that you judge religion based on some fanatics and that you take the stories from bible too literally ( the ones from old testament, which is btw irrelevant to most christians), nice job


a) I wasn't judging religion on a few fanatics.I was giving an example of how not all is merry about religion.Also i do have a valid point,there are quite a few countries where it is actually illegal to be a homosexual which is quite frankly absurd.The only "evidence" to support the outlawing of homosexuality is usually some religious book.

b) Sorry when did I take the stories from the bible literally? Even when i was a catholic I never seriously took all of the tales seriously.

c) Who says i was talking exclusively about christianity?

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Doesn't God call gay people an "abomination"? Doesn't the Leviticus contain instructions on how people commiting certain acts should be punished (stoned to death and similar things)?



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Calmador on 29 July 2010

That's terrible... for some reason athiests are jerks... the worst of the worst from my experience. As the OP pointed out in his post... they seem to have a it's my way or the high way kind of attitude. Those ridiculous, I think some wise guy  :3 said... if the only one the influences you is you... then your master is a fool... makes so much sense now.

 

bad news, but atleast mostly christians still ftw :3



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Rath on 29 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.



pizzahut451 on 30 July 2010
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).