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jrsax7 said:

As to the people that think that Ninty is going all out, I can't agree.  Don't get me wrong, there will be a significant improvement and definitely a couple of surprises.  But judging by the 3DS, I don't see them going all out.  The 3DS seems to be clearly superior to the DS, but it does not look like a graphics leap from psp. I expect cool features and interesting new concepts.

I think the next Wii (or whatever they call it) will be HD and at LEAST on par with PS3 AND 360. 3D.... not sure, let's see how tv sales go.


3DS is a decent step up from PSP... it's already doing geometry on par with PSP's best (MGS, KH, etc), twice over for 3D actually, and layering effects on top of it all that even PS2 or Gamecube aren't capable of.  Self shadowing, normal mapping, bump mapping, specular highlights... 3DS is pumping out the sort of effects we generally see on advanced shader architectures like those found in 360 and PS3.  Effects wise, 3DS certainly is a generational leap over PSP.

I'd expect Wii 2 to be a similar step up over 360/PS3 honestly.  Comparable in some respects, a huge advancement in others, but clearly ahead overall.



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It'll be hard to not have a system more powerful than the current generation HD consoles in the next generation. Nintendo would almost have to be deliberately obtuse in order for that to happen.

For instance if they used GDDR5 and embedded frame-buffer, they could be lazy and only install 2 chips of 2Gbit GDDR5 to yield 512MB of RAM and 50 GB/S bandwidth from 2011 onwards as an example and still vastly exceed the memory performance of current generation systems with a Wii-like memory architecture.

Then they can take a relatively cheap 4-6* Blu Ray or equivalent drive, a smattering of flash memory and perhaps an off the shelf Fusion variant from AMD and they have a quick and nasty console slapped together which magically outperforms current generation consoles similar to how the Wii outperforms last generation consoles for a really low price.

Finally slap on $100 mark up and they can be done with it.

Oh forgot: ?????

Then PROFIT!

 



Hmm you guys gave me an idea about Nintendo's next console...suddenly a projector doesn't seem so far fetched.

How about a console that entirely relies on itself (I mean NO OTHER hardware, not even controllers!) and nothing else? Besides being able to run DVDs or Blu-Rays or whatever capable disc format, it would also produce the sound and the visuals (using a projector as part of the console). What about the controllers? Well, I have a simple answer: Kinect-like control.

It'd be usable pretty much anywhere where you can connect it!

And before you scream "Handheld!!!", it would clearly not be a handheld because you cannot hold the screen in your hands while at the same time making the movements necessary to play (unless you want to throw the console like a ball hahaha). Besides, such a console would need to be a lot larger and heavier than a handheld.

Who knows? Maybe even the games are downloadable so you don't even have the need to carry the games around with you! And even though the console allowed for the use of the projector, its own sound system and downloadable games, maybe you could also be able to connect it to a HDTV and play it just fine!

Crazy idea? Maybe, most likely it is. But nobody besides Nintendo knows better so don't go just labeling it that way and call it a day; at least try to tell everyone why it's not a good idea.

PS: I just recalled...Miyamoto or Iwata (or someone from Nintendo...can't remember the name clearly) once said  a few years ago that he thought one day videogames would break away from TVs...at least that's a hint!



Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:

I have a feeling Nintendo will go all out for its next console. It'll be similar to the 3DS, with multiple new features. It will have HD, 3D, and maybe something else new that acts as the "hook" that differenciates itself from the competiton. I think Nintendo has learned from the N64/Gamecube days where they only had incremental upgrades. By the time they release it, 2013 or 2014, 3D will be cheaper and more mass market.


its not a big thing for it to have 3D when having HD power.

 

going all out is not when 360 and PS3 can already do it.PS3 can do 1080p HD.

Notice the bold. It'll will have HD and 3D functionality, but ALSO something unique from the PS3, 360, and the next consoles from Sony and MS that will differenciate itself, like Wii had motion controls. What that unique feature will be I have no idea, but then again I don't work for Nintendo. Could be anything from digital game downloads for full retail games, to a projector that allows you to play games anywhere. But it will be something new and different. for a video game console.

digital game downloads for full games isn't unique,have you gone bonkers?

projector isn't unique as it is just combining a projector and gaming which can already be done

 

something new and different,that doesn't always happen.

It is unique for new games on the console.. Exactly how many full retail PS3, 360, or Wii games have you downloaded from your console?

not many but its not a great feature

 

 You can download things like Xbox games for Xbox 360, but you can't download 360 games..

you can for 360 but not at release

What I am talking about is NEW retail games made specifically for THAT console..

so you want exclusives and no other games being downloadable,-even worse

Also, not sure what gaming console you've played, but a projector built it a gaming console would be unique..

unique doesn't mean it will be better as it wouldn't do anything for gaming,you have gone bonkers

 

why not just build a tv with inbuilt gaming system by your way............................lol



Whatever man.. christ.. All I'm saying is it will do SOMETHING different from the competition, like the Wii did. Not sure what it might be, but that's why I don't work at Nintendo.

Do you just like to argue for the sake of arguing?

so will everybody else try make things different

your comment doesn't say anything more than Nintendo will do things differently,they don't have a consistant past of making things different as they haven't

so make your comment more meaningful.you are saying as if the other companies won't do anything and the uniques things you pointed out were just bullshit



jarrod said:
jrsax7 said:

As to the people that think that Ninty is going all out, I can't agree.  Don't get me wrong, there will be a significant improvement and definitely a couple of surprises.  But judging by the 3DS, I don't see them going all out.  The 3DS seems to be clearly superior to the DS, but it does not look like a graphics leap from psp. I expect cool features and interesting new concepts.

I think the next Wii (or whatever they call it) will be HD and at LEAST on par with PS3 AND 360. 3D.... not sure, let's see how tv sales go.


3DS is a decent step up from PSP... it's already doing geometry on par with PSP's best (MGS, KH, etc), twice over for 3D actually, and layering effects on top of it all that even PS2 or Gamecube aren't capable of.  Self shadowing, normal mapping, bump mapping, specular highlights... 3DS is pumping out the sort of effects we generally see on advanced shader architectures like those found in 360 and PS3.  Effects wise, 3DS certainly is a generational leap over PSP.

I'd expect Wii 2 to be a similar step up over 360/PS3 honestly.  Comparable in some respects, a huge advancement in others, but clearly ahead overall.

3DS is not pumping out effects that we find not 360 and PS3 but only effects that we didn't see on PS2,GC.Better but not anywhere near PS3,360.

3DS is not generational leap.only enhanced last generation graphics with 3D



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The answer. 2 gpu sets. Then your 3D ready for whatever the 3D output is out there.



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

This has been posted before. And the news article distorts the truth, Iwata didn't say their next console will have 3D capabilities for certain, but he stated "If you display a 3D image, the image quality becomes extremely bad, so we'd probably do it with the next system. We're thinking that the timing should be once the 3D television adoption rates crosses the 30% mark. We're looking at the adoption trends." Source



TheLivingShadow said:

Hmm you guys gave me an idea about Nintendo's next console...suddenly a projector doesn't seem so far fetched.

but what does it bring to gaming,the projector doesn't do anything for gaming.

How about a console that entirely relies on itself (I mean NO OTHER hardware, not even controllers!)and nothing else? Besides being able to run DVDs or Blu-Rays or whatever capable disc format, it would also produce the sound and the visuals (using a projector as part of the console). What about the controllers? Well, I have a simple answer: Kinect-like control.

you have gone bonkers,NINTENDO will never use BLU-RAY.they haven't even used DVD's till now.....lol

you are just dreaming and wishing things

It'd be usable pretty much anywhere where you can connect it!

again,what does it do for gaming

Who knows? Maybe even the games are downloadable so you don't even have the need to carry the games around with you!

who knows the world could end tommorow,stop acting like a casual and predict more intelligently

and games are already becoming downloadable so it won't be new

And even though the console allowed for the use of the projector, its own sound system and downloadable games, maybe you could also be able to connect it to a HDTV and play it just fine!

a console like that would cost BIG TIME and Nintendo won't make it

Crazy idea? Maybe, most likely it is. But nobody besides Nintendo knows better so don't go just labeling it that way and call it a day; at least try to tell everyone why it's not a good idea.

yeah Nintendo doesn't do anything,they won't go bankrupt on a crazy idea.you are talking as if Nintendo always makes costly consoles and makes a loss for it to push technology

PS: I just recalled...Miyamoto or Iwata (or someone from Nintendo...can't remember the name clearly) once said  a few years ago that he thought one day videogames would break away from TVs...at least that's a hint!

that hint will not be for projectors i asure you



.jayderyu said:

The answer. 2 gpu sets. Then your 3D ready for whatever the 3D output is out there.


now how powerful those GPU's be and why do you need 2 when you can get a single powerful one



Be careful when calling out on other people to "predict more intelligently" when you yourself are incapable (or seem, at the very least) of understanding the point of my previous message. Honestly, it makes you look rather narrow-minded.

It is not the point that Nintendo's next console will use a projector.

It is not the point what sort of CD formats it will use.

It is not the point its individual features will be innovative.

I could tell you what the MAIN POINT of my message is but I'll let you think a little more and try to nail it if you want to continue arguing. After all, there can't be a real arguement if you misunderstand me.

Oh and by the way, the Wii uses DVDs...pathetic try.