Sony doesn't lie to you. They don't tell you things which are strictly untrue. They tell you the truth in order for you to come to the wrong conclusion. They haven't lied but still you're misled. I know this'll probably get locked, I'll definately get attacked and theres a chance I'll have a lenthy ban.

Recent information has come out and I was at first thinking that Sony had lied to people. But then I realised that in a strict sense they had not. They had simply stated facts in a way which was misleading. See any game can fill up a Blu Ray disc if you fill up the rest of the space with pictures of horse manure. Any game is of course not possible on another system if you say it in the strictest of senses.

See: http://www.play-mag.co.uk/latest-playstation-news/sucker-punch-we-made-dumb-decisions-with-infamous/

Apparantly they didn't use the Cell processor as effectively as they implied with the first game, however now with the second they are? Interesting how the centre of their original argument blows away their original statment.

However thats actually not my strongest case. My best case is the question of the Blu Ray capacity statements. See you can download a game like LBP which apparantly filled up a Blu Ray disc and of course was not possible on any other system and yet it takes up less than 10GB all in a magically small download package of a few GB. I don't know about any of you but I consider 'fill up' to be at least half way. I don't go away from the gas station with a 'full tank' and the needle not over half way.

See now I believe I understand how Sony operates. Their developers are the most talkative about other systems out of all the first and second parties out there. How many Wii developers even speak of the PS3/360? How many of Microsofts have spoken negatively on the PS3? From what I recall only Turn 10 whereas I find difficulty in thinking of major developers who haven't made pains to mention other systems whilst working for Sony or owned by Sony.

Sony says whatever suits Sony at the time. They speak the truth and opinions but quite often that truth is misleading and the opinions aren't what you'd call the best of PR. They play peoples emotions to support themselves and their agenda. If it were possible to categorise a company as a troll, then they fit the bill.

If you leave the gas station with 3/4 tank you still don't have a full tank so unless it can't fit anymore on the disk it's not full.

my only concern with your analogy is that lbp was released on BR a full year before it was released as a download. There are several things they could have done to fit a BR sized game into a 10GB download.

Regarding LBP:

Ever heard of compression? Just because it has 30-40gb on a blu-ray it doesn't mean that they couldn't compress it to 10gb. I think that they just don't compress it because it's less work for developers and for the console itsself (doesn't have to uncompress it...)

I'm reminded of that story from the Oblivion dev who talked about using duplicated data on Blu Ray in order to speed things up a bit (hence filling more of the Blu Ray disc than was actually necessary). Perhaps this technique is still in use...

We've seen a ton of PS3 sequals that did wonders over the original. "What SP thought they were doing well last game seems insignificant  or unimpressive now compared to what they see from the improvements in coding and their engine they're doing for the second" - If I read it this way, it doesn't sound like a lie at all. Good developers improve, the PS3's complex, we all know that and what SuckerPunch is basically saying they're still learning more.

LBP was said to be 40GB because of tutorial vids that were 720p and long. If you played the game you'd notice that alot of them, you don't even see full screen. Now doubt they cut those down to only how much was needed. Then you consider the game was released nearly two years ago. Development tactics and compression improve over time. Siren is 9GB, but it's really not much compared to the content in inFamous yet inFamous is 7GB.

One advantage of BR for devs is that they don't have to focus so much on compression so they have time to focus on other things and they can work more freely with less restraint. Going from BR to download, of course Dev's are going to have to shrink down but I don't think we have any evidence to say LBP wasn't as huge as said back when it was release in 08'.

"How many of Microsofts have spoken negatively on the PS3? From what I recall only Turn 10 whereas I find difficulty in thinking of major developers who haven't made pains to mention other systems whilst working for Sony or owned by Sony."

That's because MS hardly has a first party to talk smack with :P. So has tons of studio's but not all of them do it.

Just listening to the Kevin Butler speech....only kids in the 3rd grade use their fingers to shoot or "phew phew",

Then they come out with something like this:

 And later with this:

 Trolling and incoherence seem quite obvious here to me.

Not to mention the blu-ray statement completely true...

LBP was 40-45gbs

its has been compressed so that they save bandwidth on PSN

10 lies equal 100 lies and everyone lies the fact they lie more doesn't really matter. Sony is in last place, they need bullshit to make them look cool.

Little Big Planet is now downloadable because the multi region audio was taken out and it was compressed, which are the main reasons it filled up the Blu Ray in the first place according to this article: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/10/littlebigplanet-fills-up-blu-ray-disc/

Turn 10 talk enough shit that they outweigh everything else PS3 devs have said about the 360:

http://meodia.com/news/1269/turn-10-pr-thrashing-playstation-move-/

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=225192

http://www.thebitbag.com/2009/09/28/infamous-gt5-neogaf-microsoft-fanboy-poster-actually-works-for-turn-10/

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23917

Lionhead also talk their fair share of shit:

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/06/25/molyneux-move-wii-similar/

http://kotaku.com/5053936/peter-molyneux-is-all-about-the-ps3-digs

Mistwalker even shares their view's on the PS3:

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/111328/mistwalkers-hironobu-sakaguchi-says-his-piece-on-all-three-consoles/

If I was going to go into a link list about what Microsoft have said about Sony, I'd be using up time that I don't have.

So, yeah, your biased and it show's. Microsoft have talked just as much shit this gen as Nintendo or Sony, you seem to conveniently forget about all their fault's and it's getting pretty annoying. I just hope you have better thing's to do in the future, it might actually lead you to create less stupid thread's and make you a poster worth taking seriously.