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JRPGs VS WRPGs (HD)

JRPGs 51 57.95%
 
WRPGs 37 42.05%
 
Total:88
patapon on 01 July 2010
VXIII said:
ImJustBayuum said:
VXIII said:
patapon said:

JRPGs

1) Demon's Souls – 90
2) valkyria chronicles - 86
3) Final Fantasy XIII - 83
4) Eternal Sonata – 80
5) Tales of Vesperia – 79

WRPGs
1) Mass Effect 2 - 96
2) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – 94
3) Fallout 3 – 93
4) Mass Effect 1 - 91
5) Demon's Souls – 90

Just a little fix.

Fixed again :)


It was developed by FROM SOFTWARE a Japanese video game developer .

Its not about western vs japanese developed games per se..its more of genre vs genre. Demon soul is a japanese develeoped western style game.

So, fixed :)

The first thing that will come into my mind when somebody mentions WRPGs is OPEN WORLD game

Demon's souls wasn't an open world game, it had straight-line levels which you can play through as many times as you want.

So, edit your post please :p.
The first thing that comes to mind in regards to a WRPG is customization and being your own character. In Demons Souls, the player is given the option to name, change physical features, and pick a class for themselves. (A feature found almost exclusively in WRPGs). From there, the player is thrown into a tutorial where they spend their time learning how to dodge, block, change weapons, etc. all in real time. There's no sight of any fancy battle systems of the turn based variety. Nothing resembling a JRPG so far. After oneself completes the tutorial, they're thrown into the Nexus. The Nexus is a place where characters can do things like deciding weather or not they want to kill the NPCs that annoy them or customize their characters in a way similar to WRPGs like Mass Effect and Fallout 3.
 
This is what cements Demon's Souls as a WRPG, the ability to completely own your character. You can choose to be a magic person, wear mage cloths and use a Harry Potter wand... and if you suddenly decide you want to be a giant Gears of Warish brute, just take off that wimpy crap and pick up a giant sword. Things aren't like in FF13 where you have a character like Snow. And snow is good at being a commando so that's what he'll be. It's much more open ended. For example, when you're fighting through one of the various worlds, sometimes you'll find a merchant or human NPC scattered throughout the horde of demons. You can decide to help them/buy stuff, or just outright kill them and take their items. This kind of open endedness is signature of WRPGs... which Demon's souls is...
 
Also, Demon's Souls isn't open world? I beg to differ... First you have the Nexus which is basically a world in and of itself. Then you have five worlds that are filled with secret corridors, paths, shortcuts, twists, turns, traps, dead ends, etc. If it's only linear, it's done a brilliant job disguising that fact. I'll admit that the game isn't open world like The Elder Scrolls series, but I don't see how Demon's Souls is any more linear than say Mass Effect. But then Mass Effect could be a JRPG too (eeeekkk!)
In short, YOU fix YOUR list!!! lol


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Mad55 on 01 July 2010
patapon said:
VXIII said:
ImJustBayuum said:
VXIII said:
patapon said:

JRPGs

1) Demon's Souls – 90
2) valkyria chronicles - 86
3) Final Fantasy XIII - 83
4) Eternal Sonata – 80
5) Tales of Vesperia – 79

WRPGs
1) Mass Effect 2 - 96
2) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – 94
3) Fallout 3 – 93
4) Mass Effect 1 - 91
5) Demon's Souls – 90

Just a little fix.

Fixed again :)


It was developed by FROM SOFTWARE a Japanese video game developer .

Its not about western vs japanese developed games per se..its more of genre vs genre. Demon soul is a japanese develeoped western style game.

So, fixed :)

The first thing that will come into my mind when somebody mentions WRPGs is OPEN WORLD game

Demon's souls wasn't an open world game, it had straight-line levels which you can play through as many times as you want.

So, edit your post please :p.
The first thing that comes to mind in regards to a WRPG is customization and being your own character. In Demons Souls, the player is given the option to name, change physical features, and pick a class for themselves. (A feature found almost exclusively in WRPGs). From there, the player is thrown into a tutorial where they spend their time learning how to dodge, block, change weapons, etc. all in real time. There's no sight of any fancy battle systems of the turn based variety. Nothing resembling a JRPG so far. After oneself completes the tutorial, they're thrown into the Nexus. The Nexus is a place where characters can do things like deciding weather or not they want to kill the NPCs that annoy them or customize their characters in a way similar to WRPGs like Mass Effect and Fallout 3.
 
This is what cements Demon's Souls as a WRPG, the ability to completely own your character. You can choose to be a magic person, wear mage cloths and use a Harry Potter wand... and if you suddenly decide you want to be a giant Gears of Warish brute, just take off that wimpy crap and pick up a giant sword. Things aren't like in FF13 where you have a character like Snow. And snow is good at being a commando so that's what he'll be. It's much more open ended. For example, when you're fighting through one of the various worlds, sometimes you'll find a merchant or human NPC scattered throughout the horde of demons. You can decide to help them/buy stuff, or just outright kill them and take their items. This kind of open endedness is signature of WRPGs... which Demon's souls is...
 
Also, Demon's Souls isn't open world? I beg to differ... First you have the Nexus which is basically a world in and of itself. Then you have five worlds that are filled with secret corridors, paths, shortcuts, twists, turns, traps, dead ends, etc. If it's only linear, it's done a brilliant job disguising that fact. I'll admit that the game isn't open world like The Elder Scrolls series, but I don't see how Demon's Souls is any more linear than say Mass Effect. But then Mass Effect could be a JRPG too (eeeekkk!)
In short, YOU fix YOUR list!!! lol

Alot of jrpg's do what you have mentioned like monster hunter and Phantasy star portable. What makes it a Jrpg is the fact that its from japan. Also demon souls is not open world...maybe open coriddor though lol.



ethomaz on 01 July 2010

Demon's Souls is a JRPG with western rpg influence... but it's a JRPG.

Better definition: "Demon's Souls takes WRPG non-linearity and gives it a JRPG style focus on action."



patapon on 01 July 2010
Mad55 said:

Alot of jrpg's do what you have mentioned like monster hunter and Phantasy star portable. What makes it a Jrpg is the fact that its from japan. Also demon souls is not open world...maybe open coriddor though lol.

Some methods of doing rpgs were developed in the west, some methods were developed in Japan. Games that lean whichever way are placed into one of the two subgenres. Demon's Souls is much more akin to an rpgs developed in the west, thus it's a wrpg. I'm not saying it makes sense to oversimplify things like this, but it's how genre classification goes when it comes to rpgs and looking at influence.

I understand you're saying, "It was made in Japan, thus it's a jrpg!" But that's just not how people look at it. Following this train of thought, jrpgs don't do what I said. (I wouldn't consider monster hunter a jrpg and I haven't played Psp so I don't have an opinion of it!)

Think of it this way, SE=jrpg, Bioware/Bethesda=wrpg, and their respective games plus games like them are placed into the simplified wrpg/jrpg subgenres. I think that will make much more sense reading this thread.



Riachu on 01 July 2010

WRPGs but partially because I was disappointed by some of the JRPGs this gen.  Also, I never actually beaten a WRPG for various reasons.



 

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iclim4 on 01 July 2010

I'd have to vote JRPG's.

Though I have weirder reasons.
I don't actually play Role-playing games to actually "role-play".
I play the games more for the story, like an anime or a movie.
So I don't care if i can change how the character looks and that it's non-linear, but rather I care more for the story and it's characters.




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Killiana1a on 01 July 2010
Mad55 said:
Killiana1a said:
Mad55 said:
ImJustBayuum said:

According to "metacritic", the top5 HD games for each sub genre are

JRPGs
1) valkyria chronicles - 86
2) Final Fantasy XIII - 83
3) Eternal Sonata – 80
4) Tales of Vesperia – 79
5) Lost Odyssey – 78

WRPGs
1) Mass Effect 2 - 96
2) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – 94
3) Fallout 3 – 93
4) Mass Effect 1 - 91
5) Fable 2 – 89

So which one do you prefer?
For me, it will be definitely WRPG's. I've played all 5 of those Wrpgs and they all deserve those high scores.


Most definately jrpg's and they deserved higher scores. How tales of vesperia and lost odyssey got such average scores is crazy. I hardly ever like the stories in wrpg's most of the times they suck.

JRPGs going back to Final Fantasy 2 and earlier have always been story driven to the extent where they constrict non-linear, free form gameplay as most recently seen in Final Fantasy 13.

WRPGs such as the Fallout series, Elder Scroll series, Fable series, Borderlands, and on have the story as a backdrop to the mostly non-linear gameplay. There are exceptions such as WRPGs developed by Bioware ala Mass Effect.

What I love most about a game such as Fallout 3 is that character levels are not everything. If I want to go kill some Super Mutants after exiting the vault, I can take a very long and perilous journey to the crashed UFO, pick up the Alien Blaster, and melt faces. Conversely, I remember plugging hours into getting those extra 2 to 5 levels in Final Fantasy 2 because the boss at the end of the cave was unbeatable unless I grinded those extra few levels.


Sounds like your in the middle which is a good thing lol.

A good game is a good game no matter who created it. I just want more intuitive, immersive gameplay and WRPGs have hit on that quite a bit recently. JRPGs can be just as killer in different and very similar ways.



VXIII on 01 July 2010

(((Just because it is made in Japan doesn't make it a JRPG.)))

(((I understand you're saying, "It was made in Japan, thus it's a jrpg!" But that's just not how people look at it.)))


Then people should rethink that because it's kind of stupid  , and I think that you should come up with a new name for the "genre" you're talking about.

All the things you have mentioned are methods , they are for everybody not only for the westren developers.

Anyway , I won't be doing any fixing today cause Demon's souls IS jrpg imo.

thanks for you're time ....

 / discussion. =)