Realism is not necessary mean car physics. (F1 2010 has weather while Iracing still don't. 1 for realism on F1 over Iracing ) Listen to what they said as even Shaun commented he wished the game had better physics.  They said even with Full realism mode the car will handle as if you are an expert driver , thus some driving aid.  Dirt 2 had realism which is why it scored so high in ISR especially in visuals and FFB yet didn't have anywhere near the physics of  Richard Burn Rally.(7 years old)  Because of ISR giving Fm3 and Dirt2 such as high scores some has nickname the site  Inside Arcade Racing.

 Since the game is using Dirt 2 engine I have a feeling F1 2010 is aiming more like Dirt2 with a mix of arcade and sim physics.

Thats casue there are a limited number of the really hardcore people out there that rush to buy the game on day one 

20 million or 100 million user base and you would still get similar sales numbers for huge hype games like H3 and MW2.

GT might be PS3 best seller, that show you havent got a clue what the hell you are talking about.  Any one sane know's GT will be PS3s best seller unless it gets a exclusive GTA. 

i don't agree. im no casual fan and will be getting GT5!

Why would I do such a thing :O:O:O

I think it will outsell Reach pretty easily, because I think Halo has been on the way out after Halo III.  Also, I think of all the console shooters heading out of E3 Killzone 3 has the most pop.

Simple math would dictate that Halo Reach will outsell GT 5 by a fairly large margin barring GT5 getting bundled at some point.

Halo 2 sold 8 million on an install base of 25 million. GT4 sold 14 or so million on an install base of 130 million (roughly).

Halo 3 sold almost 11 million and it launched to an install base of around 18-20 million.

With the current hardware numbers for Sony and MS I don't see how GT has any shot at beating Halo this gen....unless of course it gets bundled.

Simple maths are irrelevent.

When people talk about the attach rate, it should be taken into consideration based on when the actual game was still selling itself, and there are other factors that can be brought into the argument as well..  GT4 didn't sell as well as GT3 and there are many potential and reasonable reasons for that.  For one, many could have seen it as not big enough a step up to warrant the purchase of it, having spent the countless hours of gameplay on the first outing of the console already, and not willing to do it all over again (the game still sold over 10 milion copies anyway).  It could also be that the franchise had become a bit stale in the mind of gamers and they lost interest (it still sold over 10 milion copies). It could also mean that because the PS2's install base is so huge, so is the diversity of gamers preferences going to be huge. Or, it could be all the above combined or any other speculative reasons I didn't brought up here. 

GT5 is gonna share more in common with GT3 than with GT4.  The main point being that GT5 is, like GT3, the first main entry in the series on the system.  GT3 sold more than GT4 on an intsall base way smaller than what the PS2 is right now...

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I read through some of the arguments and yet I still cannot see why this has to be such a heated debate. Is it really that important if they sell similarly or if one sells better than the other when they are both quite likely to clear 10M in LTD sales? As I stated earlier, they are both going to sell exceptionally well and it doesn't take away from one or the other if one of them sells 10-20% more than the other when they are both going to sell remarkably well and are both going to satisfy their respective userbases. We have very little precedent in judging the sales of 10M franchises so noone here can reliably call it one way or another as they simply behave differently franchises which sell 1-3M typically.

That was eloquently put. 

Thumbs up.

no not simple math. more like speculation on numbers of a console that dominated.

lets stick to simple facts. GT4 sold 14m. Halo sold 11m (round it off)

most sequals sell beter then there predecessors. so to blow the argument out of the water

GT5 20m GT5 is th onlyone that will move consoles

Halo Reach 15m

it can't be argued cause my mind is made up.