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Fufinu on 26 June 2010
Gnizmo said:
Fufinu said:

Ok so I think that anyone that is vaguely familiar with SF lore will understand why there are 2 mafia groups. Group 1 is that aligned with Seth - the S.I.N. pack and would feature Seth, C. Viper, Juri and some others. Group 2 would be Shandaloo and would feature Bison, Vega, Balrog and Sagat.

I can see that it is all very storyline bound. I think we should be hunting the game baddies and that WoW was on the right track by asking everyone to name claim. I could do so shortly but want to see how the situation develops.

@Gnizmo: I find what you are saying about night 1 as interesting. Would being out imply that I used an ability?

I don't want a name claim session. At this point I think it would end the game entirely is the problem. Yeah town wins, but where is the fun?

 No not imply. Directly state. You were out of your house night 1 at the least. Subsequent nights who knows, but you were gone night one.

I believe that you are bluffing here. I definitely was not out night 1. Given that you are claiming that you have the ability to identify this you must be clearly lying about it.

Also where is the fun if town wins? That makes no sense for any mafia game. The fun is in identifying the mafia players. Couple with your claim that I was out when I was not makes me

Vote Gnizmo

I am putting in this vote because of your claim that I was out when I was not. Also on day 1 you were very quick on jumping on the no lynch bandwagon. I had already voted you at that point and do not feel that you were cleared off the responsibility there.

I am starting to fear that there could be multiple win conditions in the game. Town wins if all mafia are identified. But given that there are 2 mafia groups there could also be different paths to victory.



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GodOfWar_3ever on 26 June 2010
c03n3nj0 said:

Who wants to see something interesting?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3467173 -- That's the night actions table revealed at the end of the last mafia game. 

Now, I want you to note that Nikells was targeted twice on night 1, and 3 times on night 2. By both pro-towns and mafia alike. Not to mention a lot of other people who were targeted by more than one person. (Like TruckO)

What this show? That it's perfectly possible for a person to be targeted by more than one faction. 

So those aren't very strong reasons to vote someone. (This was mainly for GoW3 ) 

Also, why did you jump straight at me when Gnizmo accused you? 

I tried to prove my innocence, then I proceeded to vote for you since you were a suspect of mine since day 1 and I strongly believe you are a bad guy in this game.

Whats wrong with that ? Do I have to try and prove my innocence in one post and vote for someone in another ?



GodOfWar_3ever on 26 June 2010
Fufinu said:
Gnizmo said:
Fufinu said:

Ok so I think that anyone that is vaguely familiar with SF lore will understand why there are 2 mafia groups. Group 1 is that aligned with Seth - the S.I.N. pack and would feature Seth, C. Viper, Juri and some others. Group 2 would be Shandaloo and would feature Bison, Vega, Balrog and Sagat.

I can see that it is all very storyline bound. I think we should be hunting the game baddies and that WoW was on the right track by asking everyone to name claim. I could do so shortly but want to see how the situation develops.

@Gnizmo: I find what you are saying about night 1 as interesting. Would being out imply that I used an ability?

I don't want a name claim session. At this point I think it would end the game entirely is the problem. Yeah town wins, but where is the fun?

 No not imply. Directly state. You were out of your house night 1 at the least. Subsequent nights who knows, but you were gone night one.

I believe that you are bluffing here. I definitely was not out night 1. Given that you are claiming that you have the ability to identify this you must be clearly lying about it.

Also where is the fun if town wins? That makes no sense for any mafia game. The fun is in identifying the mafia players. Couple with your claim that I was out when I was not makes me

Vote Gnizmo

I am putting in this vote because of your claim that I was out when I was not. Also on day 1 you were very quick on jumping on the no lynch bandwagon. I had already voted you at that point and do not feel that you were cleared off the responsibility there.

I am starting to fear that there could be multiple win conditions in the game. Town wins if all mafia are identified. But given that there are 2 mafia groups there could also be different paths to victory.

Whoa, whoa whoa....

Hold on a second....

You vote for a guy who has been proved innocent (gnizmo) by a guy who has been proved as a cop (tanstalas) and you deny what this guy says ?

Something is very wrong here.

unvote : j0 (you live another day.)

vote : Fufinu



Gnizmo on 26 June 2010

In a slight defense of Fufinu there might be a third explanation. I received two PMs from Hatmoza for my first action. I naturally assumed the second one to be true. I would request Hatmoza review the night actions and confirm, via PM to me, what should have been the case.

Now that we have that bit out of the way it is quite clear Fufinu is going off the deep-end here. I didn't vote No Lynch until over 150 posts in. Further I have expounded upon my reasons for not liking name claiming earlier in the thread as well. It ruins the hunt, which is the fun. I do not want to win or lose easily. I want epic back and forth struggles with intrigue, betrayal, and deception. I have stated this when I have played mafia, townsfolk, and serial killer alike.

What I have noticed is you seem to have it out for me for some reason. You jumped to vote for me when I wanted no lynch on day one with pretty weak reasoning, and here we are again with you acting weird. My ability has been confirmed by two separate people on this day alone, and my innocence proven by a third. Yet here we are with you still doubting me? What the hell man?



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Gnizmo on 26 June 2010

On a different note, I am all for lynching j0 for being Vega at this point. 3 for 3 have matched their name as far as bad guys go. Top it off with the logical split, as others pointed out as well, of Seth and Bison factions and we have a winner I think. We could do worse for lynchings.



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Fufinu on 26 June 2010
Gnizmo said:

In a slight defense of Fufinu there might be a third explanation. I received two PMs from Hatmoza for my first action. I naturally assumed the second one to be true. I would request Hatmoza review the night actions and confirm, via PM to me, what should have been the case.

Now that we have that bit out of the way it is quite clear Fufinu is going off the deep-end here. I didn't vote No Lynch until over 150 posts in. Further I have expounded upon my reasons for not liking name claiming earlier in the thread as well. It ruins the hunt, which is the fun. I do not want to win or lose easily. I want epic back and forth struggles with intrigue, betrayal, and deception. I have stated this when I have played mafia, townsfolk, and serial killer alike.

What I have noticed is you seem to have it out for me for some reason. You jumped to vote for me when I wanted no lynch on day one with pretty weak reasoning, and here we are again with you acting weird. My ability has been confirmed by two separate people on this day alone, and my innocence proven by a third. Yet here we are with you still doubting me? What the hell man?


I think Hatmoza should post in the thread what happened here as if true this could influence the outcome of the game.

I would agree that on day 1 I could have jumped, but you definitely cannot say so in this case. You put forth a claim (that I was out on day 1) which I know was not true. Voting is  a logical step and outcome. By claiming that Hatmoza made an error I think that you are trying to cling to mirrors (unless confirmed by Hatmoza himself).

If Hatmoza confirms the error I will unvote. In the meantime, this will stay in place.



Final-Fan on 26 June 2010

I could believe Fufinu forgot about that, I had almost done so.  But forgetting that AND being switched around by a bus driver or body snatcher seems a little less likely. 

I'm not voting yet though. 

@ Gnizmo:  Maybe it takes a little fun out but seriously I think the town is in trouble if we don't, and there are TWO roles we could identify and eliminate or cure by doing so.  I think that makes it a tactic that we just can't ignore.  I mean at some point looking the other way and ignoring a great tactic goes from "we're preserving the fun gameplay" to "it's just plain dumb to not do that".  Especially when so many roles have already been revealed. 



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Gnizmo on 26 June 2010
Fufinu said:


I think Hatmoza should post in the thread what happened here as if true this could influence the outcome of the game.

I would agree that on day 1 I could have jumped, but you definitely cannot say so in this case. You put forth a claim (that I was out on day 1) which I know was not true. Voting is  a logical step and outcome. By claiming that Hatmoza made an error I think that you are trying to cling to mirrors (unless confirmed by Hatmoza himself).

If Hatmoza confirms the error I will unvote. In the meantime, this will stay in place.

Hatmoza should absolutely not post directly in this thread about it. There is already enough influence on the game as a result, and it is an ability that gives me specifically the knowledge to use at my discretion. If you are looking for confirmation then I point to Godofwar. I called him out on being at home last night which he quickly admitted to. My claims are entirely real, and have been completely supported every time they are challenged.



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Gnizmo on 26 June 2010
Final-Fan said:

I could believe Fufinu forgot about that, I had almost done so.  But forgetting that AND being switched around by a bus driver or body snatcher seems a little less likely. 

I'm not voting yet though. 

@ Gnizmo:  Maybe it takes a little fun out but seriously I think the town is in trouble if we don't, and there are TWO roles we could identify and eliminate or cure by doing so.  I think that makes it a tactic that we just can't ignore.  I mean at some point looking the other way and ignoring a great tactic goes from "we're preserving the fun gameplay" to "it's just plain dumb to not do that".  Especially when so many roles have already been revealed.

Well my ability to influence it one way or the other is absolutely zero at this point. Any argument from me is just background noise. Still if the character name and team alignment holds true then we essentially are asking people to say mafia or not mafia. I'd like some evidence of that not being the case before-hand. Then again, I am already technically on-board with the plan so however you guys want to play it out. Funny thing is, Fufinu didn't name claim and is getting on me for objecting when I already have.



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Fufinu on 26 June 2010
Gnizmo said:
Fufinu said:


I think Hatmoza should post in the thread what happened here as if true this could influence the outcome of the game.

I would agree that on day 1 I could have jumped, but you definitely cannot say so in this case. You put forth a claim (that I was out on day 1) which I know was not true. Voting is  a logical step and outcome. By claiming that Hatmoza made an error I think that you are trying to cling to mirrors (unless confirmed by Hatmoza himself).

If Hatmoza confirms the error I will unvote. In the meantime, this will stay in place.

Hatmoza should absolutely not post directly in this thread about it. There is already enough influence on the game as a result, and it is an ability that gives me specifically the knowledge to use at my discretion. If you are looking for confirmation then I point to Godofwar. I called him out on being at home last night which he quickly admitted to. My claims are entirely real, and have been completely supported every time they are challenged.

You could have bluffed just as much as you did in my case. If you investigated two persons on day one, who was the other?