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irstupid on 16 June 2010
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Nintendo gave us a more concrete 3D product with the 3DS. Sony's can be enjoyed whether in 3D or not. Microsoft doesn't create technology to be revered in gaming, so really their opinion means nothing in the matter. When they start making technology then I might be able to take them seriously. Microsoft is a software company. They need to focus on acquiring top notch developers before their investors pull out like they are planning on doing already.


the thing is I take Microsot more serious than Sony regarding 3D, due to microsoft not having a product for 3D.

Sony is using its fanboys to try and push 3D on all of us, just like they did with blu ray.  I hate being used by a company.  They are pushing these 3D games becuase they want us to buy their 3D tvs, and then their 3D blu ray movies and so on.  And that list there is one thing that is common, involves buying and buying new stuff. 



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CrazyHorse on 16 June 2010
irstupid said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

He's right that huge 3D TVs are way too expensive right now.

But the "future" he's talking about is actually going to be very soon. I expect that sales of 3D capable TVs will surpass sales of "2D only"-TVs already within the next 2 years.

The reason is that for the manufacturers, the extra costs for producing a 3D capable TV with shutter glasses instead of a normal 2D TV are next to zero as long as the panel supports at least 120Hz. The current prices are just ridiculous of course - they want to cash in some money from the early adopters who don't care about the money at all, but prices will drop massively very soon. And who would buy a 2D only TV if the same TV with 3D capability was only let's say $20-30 more?

But of course that doesn't mean 3D TVs will be standard soon. Most people have bought their flatscreen TV not long ago, they won't be buying a new TV soon.

lets say what you say about costs is true, we have to look at how the 3DS will affect consumers then.

First as you said many just bought a new tv recently so not going to want to go out and buy a new one right away, and for what?  Avatar and a few video games?  No one will even consider a 3D tv until things like tv shows and sports are in 3D.

But then second has to do with 3DS, if this hits off and gets mass market recognition even, let alone people buy it.  But it will make people think, why buy a 3D tv that I need glasses when sooner or later a tv will have no glasses?

So people will further wait on buying a 3D tv, because they don't want to deal with glasses.

Sky tv are launching their 3D service in autumn in the UK which will include sports, movies and entertainment shows. I doubt the content will be huge at first but it's coming quickly and will likely only grow in quantity.

Not sure about the effect the 3DS will have on living room 3D experience. I think I'm right  in saying (not 100% sure) that the 3DS technology won't work on such large screens with large varying viewing angles. I doubt it will affect many more people than those who already hate the idea of glasses. If it does then it's up to the 3D promoters to change that perception.



irstupid on 16 June 2010
CrazyHorse said:
irstupid said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

He's right that huge 3D TVs are way too expensive right now.

But the "future" he's talking about is actually going to be very soon. I expect that sales of 3D capable TVs will surpass sales of "2D only"-TVs already within the next 2 years.

The reason is that for the manufacturers, the extra costs for producing a 3D capable TV with shutter glasses instead of a normal 2D TV are next to zero as long as the panel supports at least 120Hz. The current prices are just ridiculous of course - they want to cash in some money from the early adopters who don't care about the money at all, but prices will drop massively very soon. And who would buy a 2D only TV if the same TV with 3D capability was only let's say $20-30 more?

But of course that doesn't mean 3D TVs will be standard soon. Most people have bought their flatscreen TV not long ago, they won't be buying a new TV soon.

lets say what you say about costs is true, we have to look at how the 3DS will affect consumers then.

First as you said many just bought a new tv recently so not going to want to go out and buy a new one right away, and for what?  Avatar and a few video games?  No one will even consider a 3D tv until things like tv shows and sports are in 3D.

But then second has to do with 3DS, if this hits off and gets mass market recognition even, let alone people buy it.  But it will make people think, why buy a 3D tv that I need glasses when sooner or later a tv will have no glasses?

So people will further wait on buying a 3D tv, because they don't want to deal with glasses.

Sky tv are launching their 3D service in autumn in the UK which will include sports, movies and entertainment shows. I doubt the content will be huge at first but it's coming quickly and will likely only grow in quantity.

Not sure about the effect the 3DS will have on living room 3D experience. I think I'm right  in saying (not 100% sure) that the 3DS technology won't work on such large screens with large varying viewing angles. I doubt it will affect many more people than those who already hate the idea of glasses. If it does then it's up to the 3D promoters to change that perception.

hell i can see what your saying about how the tech 3ds is using wouldn't work, but it shows it is possible somehow and will be figured out sooner or later.

thus i feel inclined based on technology advancement to wait this out and not have to worry about glasses.  hell i loose enough shit, and wearing glasses are annoying as heck and bug my ears over time. 



superchunk on 16 June 2010
leatherhat said:

This time next year 3D televisions will be readily affordable for the average person. I admit in the short term its worthless due to its price, but by the time games like Killzone 3 come out it will be a much larger factor. 


Sure the TV will be. But you'll still be paying ~$100 per pair of glassess. Will you give your 5yr old $100 glassess to watch the lasts 3D Disney movie?

I wouldn't. This version of home 3D is pathetic and will fail mainstream.



theRepublic on 16 June 2010
Reasonable said:

So long as you hold your head very still...

This impression says that there is a good viewing angle.  It is only when you view it from the side that it becomes blurry.

The effect is pronounced, but seems far less distracting than you'd expect. The lack of plastic glasses imparts a level of viewing comfort that you simply don't get from 3D televisions, though the comparatively smaller screen is also easier on the eyes. The visuals are bright -- easily on par with the DS Lite -- and offer a good viewing angle. However, viewing from the side reveals the blurry, overlaying effect of the 3D screen, so you'll want to turn the 3D effect down via the slider.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/15/nintendo-3ds-first-hands-on/


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CrazyHorse on 16 June 2010
irstupid said:
CrazyHorse said:

Sky tv are launching their 3D service in autumn in the UK which will include sports, movies and entertainment shows. I doubt the content will be huge at first but it's coming quickly and will likely only grow in quantity.

Not sure about the effect the 3DS will have on living room 3D experience. I think I'm right  in saying (not 100% sure) that the 3DS technology won't work on such large screens with large varying viewing angles. I doubt it will affect many more people than those who already hate the idea of glasses. If it does then it's up to the 3D promoters to change that perception.

hell i can see what your saying about how the tech 3ds is using wouldn't work, but it shows it is possible somehow and will be figured out sooner or later.

thus i feel inclined based on technology advancement to wait this out and not have to worry about glasses.  hell i loose enough shit, and wearing glasses are annoying as heck and bug my ears over time. 

Yeah it's definately possible, hope it does happen as obviously I'd rather not have to wear those glasses. If it doesn't happen in the next few years it probably won't be such an issue as when 3D tvs hit a reasonable price I expect many people will not opt to continue waiting and will just make the jump. To be honest I have little to no interest in watching much 3D tv (although Avatar changed my perception on 3D films somewhat) but I would really like to play Killzone, Motorstorm and GT5 in 3D. Won't be paying anything like £2000 for the ability to do so though!



DrPollit0 on 16 June 2010

Microsoft is Doomed.



StokedUp on 16 June 2010

Thats one ignorant comment from the microsoft dude. 3D is obviously the future of technology, the way we've viewed videos, video games, and whatever else is on the TV is always evolving and getting better. First we had black and white tvs, Then we had colour TVs, then we had TVs that could display even more colours for a better picture, then we had digital broadcasts instead of analogue, then we had HD Picture quality TVs and now were moving into 3D. The movies at the cinemas are all into 3D now, SKY TV (the main "cable tv" in the UK) is launching its 3d range of channels. Infact its already launched it sports 3d channel and has pubs all around th UK screening 3D sports and people rate it.

Ill admit i think it'll take a little bit longer to get going as weve only just really moved into FULL HD but 3D will be something that all TVs will come with in the future and nearly all if not all video games will come with the feature aswell.



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welshbloke on 16 June 2010

As with a lot of these discussions I suspect Microsoft was focusing on the consoles not the handhelds when declaring 3D the future which it currently is. Nintendo have thrown the gauntlet down for 3D on the handheld question is, is that technology scalable (42" TV) probably not currently almost putting it firmly in the future lets face it the future being as best 5 years for these current consoles.



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GuiltySpartan77 on 16 June 2010

I doubt 3D will ever be cheap they will cost at least 900-2000 dollars for a while so i think i will pass on buying a 3D tv just to watch a game in 3D its completly outragoues