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BBH on 14 June 2010
Sardauk said:
BBH said:

If they sell a bundle with Kinect and Console for $300 - they will be making big losses



You have the figures ?

It's a very popular, educated guess.

Natal is probably being sold at MS's lowest point at the moment (ie Break even point). With a $300 bundle they are losing $150 - plus or minus any profit on the new 360 model.

Also take into account Kinect's huge marketing costs.



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Khuutra on 14 June 2010
richardhutnik said:
SmokedHostage said:

Selling my 360.

It feels redundant to own one now that all the games to be released are sequels or Wii knockoffs.

Got it.  So, due to the second half of the show, Gears 3 and Halo Reach have disappeared off the face of the earth?  Oh yes, and Black Ops Fable 3 and Rising are no longer about either?

As I see it, Microsoft mentions they have all the top hardcore stuff in the first half.  In the second half, they do all Kinect stuff.

I could be wrong, but I don't think SmokedHostage cares for shooters very much. Nor Kojima.



Moren on 14 June 2010
Maynard_Tool said:
morenoingrato said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

I didn't see most of it, but it doesn't sound like I missed much. No megatons to be found here. Will probably wind up being the worst of the three.

I could see Nintendo taking it this year with Zelda reveal, rumored Donkey Kong revival and the 3DS. I just hope they don't spend too much time talking about Wii Party. I have a feeling Sony will be lacking in megatons too.


yeah, both sony and ms commited fatal mistakes for their conferences... leak their AAA games days before E3

 

at least that greediness and good secret keeping of nintendo will give us a mind blowing surprise conference.......

and if zelda wii isn't a surprise..... well.... has anyone seen a trailer or screenshot??



art, you don't know how the game actually looks



Maynard_Tool on 14 June 2010
BBH said:
Sardauk said:
BBH said:

If they sell a bundle with Kinect and Console for $300 - they will be making big losses



You have the figures ?

It's a very popular, educated guess.

Natal is probably being sold at MS's lowest point at the moment (ie Break even point). With a $300 bundle they are losing $150 - plus or minus any profit on the new 360 model.

Also take into account Kinect's huge marketing costs.





03/10/09 HUGE day in my life:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=63437&page=1

Moren on 14 June 2010
Rainbird said:
morenoingrato said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

I didn't see most of it, but it doesn't sound like I missed much. No megatons to be found here. Will probably wind up being the worst of the three.

I could see Nintendo taking it this year with Zelda reveal, rumored Donkey Kong revival and the 3DS. I just hope they don't spend too much time talking about Wii Party. I have a feeling Sony will be lacking in megatons too.

yeah, both sony and ms commited fatal mistakes for their conferences... leak their AAA games days before E3

Sony showed their games on purpose, wait and see what happens.


so you expect them to have a lot more than kz3, lbp2 and other stuff they leaked?



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jarrod on 14 June 2010
Legend11 said:
jarrod said:
Legend11 said:
Grimes said:

I see a BIG problem for Kinect right now.

They showed nothing about Kinect that will support the existing owners of Xbox 360s. No Halo or Gear support for Kinect. So there isn't a big incentive for these people to get it.

If the Kinect costs say $150, that will bring the total price to $450. No way in hell are you going to get many people to buy in at that price when the Wii costs $250 less.


The games for core gamers will take longer to make.  It's a little unreasonable to expect core games to be developed using a completely new control paradigm in one year or even a year and a half,

In Wii's first year and a half, Nintendo delivered...

 

  • The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
  • Excite Truck
  • Super Paper Mario
  • Pokemon Battle Revolution
  • Mario Strikers: Charged
  • Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
  • BWii: Batallion Wars II
  • Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
  • Link's Crossbow Training
  • Super Mario Galaxy
  • Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
  • Super Smash Bros. Brawl
  • Mario Kart Wii

...and almost all of them were present at E3 2006.  This in addition to new casual fare (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Endless Ocean, Wii Fit) and old adapted casual fare (Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree, Mario Party 8).

So all those games took a year or a year and a half to make?  Sony may now be using the slogan "This Changes Everything" (or Apple or whoever they copied it from) but Kinect really does change everything for games.  It's much easier to tack on what amounts to a mouse in another form than it is to use something truly revolutionary like Kinect.

No, but they all came within a year and half of launch.  And most of them were shown off half a year before Wii launch too, which is exactly the timeline we see for Kinect.  And at the time, yes the Wiimote really did change everything for console games, and some developers still haven't come to grips with it.

Honestly, I just expected better.  Outside Forza 3, Kinect felt hugely one sided towards casuals, there was literally almost nothing present for the base to care about.  It's like Move's GDC flop all over again... maybe you didn't expect better from Microsoft, but I'm sad to say I did. :/



thx1139 on 14 June 2010

People here never satisfied.

Pricing - They have existing Arcade and Elites in inventory and they want to clear those before the Slim is priced differently.  This is exactly what they have done in the past. So once those are cleared at the discounted $149/$249 prices they can have a price reduction on the new SKU for the fall sales season.  If they held off the slim they would be making more expensive units for no reason. If they introduced the new SKU at lower price point they would need to reduce existing Arcade/Elites even more.  I suspect this is also when you will see pricing for the Kinect SKU.  As someone mentioned before. The slims are ready and MS wants to get the boost in sales that this will give them ASAP.

As for the rest of the conference it did exactly what they needed for the 2010 sales season. They showed that Kinect works and it works very well across both games and the interface.  It was very cool. You may not like the games because they arent hardcore, but these will be big sales to the targeted audience.  They have fitness, they have games that make moms happy that family interaction and movement is happening.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Maynard_Tool on 14 June 2010
morenoingrato said:
Maynard_Tool said:
morenoingrato said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

I didn't see most of it, but it doesn't sound like I missed much. No megatons to be found here. Will probably wind up being the worst of the three.

I could see Nintendo taking it this year with Zelda reveal, rumored Donkey Kong revival and the 3DS. I just hope they don't spend too much time talking about Wii Party. I have a feeling Sony will be lacking in megatons too.


yeah, both sony and ms commited fatal mistakes for their conferences... leak their AAA games days before E3

 

at least that greediness and good secret keeping of nintendo will give us a mind blowing surprise conference.......

and if zelda wii isn't a surprise..... well.... has anyone seen a trailer or screenshot??



art, you don't know how the game actually looks


ey, it's something at least we know it's coming this time



03/10/09 HUGE day in my life:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=63437&page=1

BBH on 14 June 2010
Maynard_Tool said:
BBH said:
Sardauk said:
BBH said:

If they sell a bundle with Kinect and Console for $300 - they will be making big losses



You have the figures ?

It's a very popular, educated guess.

Natal is probably being sold at MS's lowest point at the moment (ie Break even point). With a $300 bundle they are losing $150 - plus or minus any profit on the new 360 model.

Also take into account Kinect's huge marketing costs.




Care to disagree with my points? My intellectual superior... 



daroamer on 14 June 2010
Khuutra said:
Slimebeast said:
Khuutra said:

Overall I think it was a good conference. I greatly enjoyed the core games shown (all of them, and I'm not a Fable kind of guy), and th Kinect games generally looked neat.

I want it clear that I still expect it to be dead on arrival. It does, however, look neat.

Dead on arrival? What exactly? U mean Kinect?

Yes. I expect it to perform poorly - if it mets Microsoft's expectations I will be surprised, and people's expectations on this board are way too high.

I think it will be this generation's 32x.

I think you're dead wrong.

When my girlfriend saw the fitness game, right away "We're getting that".

Also, her kids will go crazy over the Kinectimals game.