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Wagram on 12 June 2010

Dialog in JRPGs are good. and also you were not FORCED to use auto-battle. You didn't have to use it.



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lestatdark on 12 June 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

Persona 4 also had the same Auto-Battle. Dragon Quest has Auto-Battle if you set the tactics to it, Tales series has a similar Auto-Battle due to tactics. A lot of JRPG's use a automated battle system. I agree that FFXIII's one was probably one of the worst, but that doesn't make it the only one.

Plus, the whole argument of Auto-Battle is completely annuled for the fact that it wasn't mandatory. No one forced you to play the game with it. That's the same thing about people complaining about Gambits on FFXII.

Persona 4 had direct control.

The difference in FF13, your control over your allies is the lowest in probably any JRPG. 

The amount of control you had during Rush on Persona 4 was very limited as well. But I agree with you on your last statement. 



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dtewi on 12 June 2010
lestatdark said:

The amount of control you had during Rush on Persona 4 was very limited as well. But I agree with you on your last statement. 

That's a bit of a stretch, considering Rush was only when you wanted your allies to use physical attacks. And even then, you could simply cancel it if you wanted someone not to attack.



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Khuutra on 12 June 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Metal Gear Solid had the same problem. Final Fantasy felt like a half assed strategy game, because of that auto-battle button. 

Which isn't mandatory and has been used in tons of other JRPGs as well, like the Persona series

Persona 3 is the only one I think, and even then you can indirectly control your allies which doesn't really make it Auto-Battle.

They have an auto-battle option in EarthBound, which is my pick for the best JRPG ever made (and the best game on the SNES). Auto-Battle is o-kay as an option.



dtewi on 12 June 2010
Khuutra said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Metal Gear Solid had the same problem. Final Fantasy felt like a half assed strategy game, because of that auto-battle button. 

Which isn't mandatory and has been used in tons of other JRPGs as well, like the Persona series

Persona 3 is the only one I think, and even then you can indirectly control your allies which doesn't really make it Auto-Battle.

They have an auto-battle option in EarthBound, which is my pick for the best JRPG ever made (and the best game on the SNES). Auto-Battle is o-kay as an option.

I'm not defaming Auto-Battle, just the lack of control over your allies FF13 gives you.



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lestatdark on 12 June 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

The amount of control you had during Rush on Persona 4 was very limited as well. But I agree with you on your last statement. 

That's a bit of a stretch, considering Rush was only when you wanted your allies to use physical attacks. And even then, you could simply cancel it if you wanted someone not to attack.

Isn't that auto-battling too? You could pass almost every random battle with that command alone, if you wanted. Heck, I almost beat Yomotsu Hirasaka dungeon with only physical attacks alone. Would it be fair to rate Persona 4 lower then, just because you can spam Rush to finish most of the game? 



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dtewi on 12 June 2010
lestatdark said:

Isn't that auto-battling too? You could pass almost every random battle with that command alone, if you wanted. Heck, I almost beat Yomotsu Hirasaka dungeon with only physical attacks alone. Would it be fair to rate Persona 4 lower then, just because you can spam Rush to finish most of the game? 

O_o

Since when can you spam Rush to win ANY Persona battle?

I'm only 13 hours in Persona 3, and I've never won a battle thanks to rush.



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Xxain on 12 June 2010

FF XIII denies you any control, not just in battle. Everything abou the game has a cokehold on it which is my number1 complaint with the game.



lestatdark on 12 June 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

Isn't that auto-battling too? You could pass almost every random battle with that command alone, if you wanted. Heck, I almost beat Yomotsu Hirasaka dungeon with only physical attacks alone. Would it be fair to rate Persona 4 lower then, just because you can spam Rush to finish most of the game? 

O_o

Since when can you spam Rush to win ANY Persona battle?

I'm only 13 hours in Persona 3, and I've never won a battle thanks to rush.

Dude. Persona 4 was a lot of degrees easier than Persona 3. And yeah, physical attacks can win most of the random battles. I never said all of them did I?  

That's like saying that all battles can we won on FFXIII using Auto-Battle alone. I would like to see someone beating an Adamantoise with Auto Battle



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dtewi on 12 June 2010
lestatdark said:

Dude. Persona 4 was a lot of degrees easier than Persona 3. And yeah, physical attacks can win most of the random battles. I never said all of them did I?  

That's like saying that all battles can we won on FFXIII using Auto-Battle alone. I would like to see someone beating an Adamantoise with Auto Battle


Well, it cancels out a bit, since Persona 4 had direct ally control, haha.

I still curse Persona 3 for being a little overwhelming even on Normal mode. I mean, shit, that boss did 185 damage when I'm only Level 19!

Again, I am not defaming Auto-Battle, just the fact that FF13 had virtually no control over allies.



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