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M.U.G.E.N on 09 June 2010

Yep so true..I mena think about it! how crazy innovative has GEARS has been? It's a technical marvel really, awe inspiring

 

hint for cliffy: go watch vanquish gameplay and learn something....Ninty and Sony has been kicking some major butt this gen



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Munkeh111 on 09 June 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:

Yep so true..I mena think about it! how crazy innovative has GEARS has been? It's a technical marvel really, awe inspiring

 

hint for cliffy: go watch vanquish gameplay and learn something....Ninty and Sony has been kicking some major butt this gen


12m sales in 2 games suggests they are doing something right



M.U.G.E.N on 09 June 2010
Munkeh111 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

Yep so true..I mena think about it! how crazy innovative has GEARS has been? It's a technical marvel really, awe inspiring

 

hint for cliffy: go watch vanquish gameplay and learn something....Ninty and Sony has been kicking some major butt this gen


12m sales in 2 games suggests they are doing something right

Yep and it also means that Japanese publishers aren't doing anything right as well



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SaviorX on 09 June 2010

I'll just post what I did in the VGC article:

He says it like a blowhard without manners but he is right. There is a shift towards portables, and on the console side of things, a large majority of Japanese devs are idiots.

There, stone me.



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twistedcellz on 09 June 2010
Munkeh111 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Munkeh111 said:
V-r0cK said:
Munkeh111 said:
MrT-Tar said:

I have to disagree that 'Western Developers are taking over', if you look at the really commercially successful games this generation, most are made in Japan:

 

Mario Galaxy

New Super Mario Bros

New Super Mario Bros Wii

Final Fantasy XIII

Dragon Quest IX

Wii Sports

Wii Fit

Mario Kart Wii

Super Smash Bros Brawl

Brain Training

Nintendogs

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum

Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver

Monster Hunter

Metal Gear Solid 4

Animal Crossing


Yeah, just ignore the 17m selling GTA IV, the 20m CoD MW 2, 10m selling FIFA 10. Of course they don't quite stack up to the really big Nintendo titles, but otherwise, I think CoD has the beating of most of them, especially given its yearly release

Isnt GTA4 by Rockstar in EU (unless your talking about publishing and not developing)? so that doesnt count as Western. You're from UK you should know.  So now you're just solely basing all of Japan's hit Mr T-Tar stated against only CoD series and FIFA?

If you actually made a list of sucessful Japanese games compared to Western i think you'd see that overall there's alot more in Japan's favour.

Now GTA IV was developed in Edinburgh, with the help of the Rockstar games head office in New York. The writers themselves are based in New York, and so I think it only fair to consider it a western game.

If you look at the list of good selling franchises released by American publishers against the list of good selling Japanese games, and the US list is just going to win every single time. I haven't made a full list, because I have better things to do, but those are the first franchises that come to mind, but the key one is CoD, that alone sells 10 million every year. NFS sells 5m, Madden sells 5m FIFA has surpassed PES. There are plenty. On the Japanese side, most of the big sellers come from Nintendo, and then Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and PES, no others are that big

REsident Evil is that big too!

And MGS4 is basically at 5 Million!

And then we have the monster Gran Turismo!

Thats 3 more I added

You can't just look at individual titles, you have to look at franchise sales as a whole.

So we get a Gran Turismo game every 3 or 4 years, that sells 10m copies, but we get a CoD game every year selling that amount.

Resi sells well, about 6m for the last one, but it is so infrequent again.

The key thing for publishers like EA and Activision (and Ubisoft for Assassin's Creed) is they are producing yearly games which are selling these numbers, the Japanese publishers are taking a few years over each game


exept for call of duty that they release a new one every year

I don't know what u talkin bout



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M.U.G.E.N on 09 June 2010
twistedcellz said:
Munkeh111 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Munkeh111 said:
V-r0cK said:
Munkeh111 said:
MrT-Tar said:

I have to disagree that 'Western Developers are taking over', if you look at the really commercially successful games this generation, most are made in Japan:

 

Mario Galaxy

New Super Mario Bros

New Super Mario Bros Wii

Final Fantasy XIII

Dragon Quest IX

Wii Sports

Wii Fit

Mario Kart Wii

Super Smash Bros Brawl

Brain Training

Nintendogs

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum

Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver

Monster Hunter

Metal Gear Solid 4

Animal Crossing


Yeah, just ignore the 17m selling GTA IV, the 20m CoD MW 2, 10m selling FIFA 10. Of course they don't quite stack up to the really big Nintendo titles, but otherwise, I think CoD has the beating of most of them, especially given its yearly release

Isnt GTA4 by Rockstar in EU (unless your talking about publishing and not developing)? so that doesnt count as Western. You're from UK you should know.  So now you're just solely basing all of Japan's hit Mr T-Tar stated against only CoD series and FIFA?

If you actually made a list of sucessful Japanese games compared to Western i think you'd see that overall there's alot more in Japan's favour.

Now GTA IV was developed in Edinburgh, with the help of the Rockstar games head office in New York. The writers themselves are based in New York, and so I think it only fair to consider it a western game.

If you look at the list of good selling franchises released by American publishers against the list of good selling Japanese games, and the US list is just going to win every single time. I haven't made a full list, because I have better things to do, but those are the first franchises that come to mind, but the key one is CoD, that alone sells 10 million every year. NFS sells 5m, Madden sells 5m FIFA has surpassed PES. There are plenty. On the Japanese side, most of the big sellers come from Nintendo, and then Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and PES, no others are that big

REsident Evil is that big too!

And MGS4 is basically at 5 Million!

And then we have the monster Gran Turismo!

Thats 3 more I added

You can't just look at individual titles, you have to look at franchise sales as a whole.

So we get a Gran Turismo game every 3 or 4 years, that sells 10m copies, but we get a CoD game every year selling that amount.

Resi sells well, about 6m for the last one, but it is so infrequent again.

The key thing for publishers like EA and Activision (and Ubisoft for Assassin's Creed) is they are producing yearly games which are selling these numbers, the Japanese publishers are taking a few years over each game


exept for call of duty that they release a new one every year

I don't know what u talkin bout

what I don't get is, what the hell does these arguments have anything to do with the 'tech' which as he implies Japan lacks? It's BS!



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jarrod on 09 June 2010
Munkeh111 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Munkeh111 said:
V-r0cK said:
Munkeh111 said:
MrT-Tar said:

I have to disagree that 'Western Developers are taking over', if you look at the really commercially successful games this generation, most are made in Japan:

 

Mario Galaxy

New Super Mario Bros

New Super Mario Bros Wii

Final Fantasy XIII

Dragon Quest IX

Wii Sports

Wii Fit

Mario Kart Wii

Super Smash Bros Brawl

Brain Training

Nintendogs

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum

Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver

Monster Hunter

Metal Gear Solid 4

Animal Crossing


Yeah, just ignore the 17m selling GTA IV, the 20m CoD MW 2, 10m selling FIFA 10. Of course they don't quite stack up to the really big Nintendo titles, but otherwise, I think CoD has the beating of most of them, especially given its yearly release

Isnt GTA4 by Rockstar in EU (unless your talking about publishing and not developing)? so that doesnt count as Western. You're from UK you should know.  So now you're just solely basing all of Japan's hit Mr T-Tar stated against only CoD series and FIFA?

If you actually made a list of sucessful Japanese games compared to Western i think you'd see that overall there's alot more in Japan's favour.

Now GTA IV was developed in Edinburgh, with the help of the Rockstar games head office in New York. The writers themselves are based in New York, and so I think it only fair to consider it a western game.

If you look at the list of good selling franchises released by American publishers against the list of good selling Japanese games, and the US list is just going to win every single time. I haven't made a full list, because I have better things to do, but those are the first franchises that come to mind, but the key one is CoD, that alone sells 10 million every year. NFS sells 5m, Madden sells 5m FIFA has surpassed PES. There are plenty. On the Japanese side, most of the big sellers come from Nintendo, and then Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and PES, no others are that big

REsident Evil is that big too!

And MGS4 is basically at 5 Million!

And then we have the monster Gran Turismo!

Thats 3 more I added

You can't just look at individual titles, you have to look at franchise sales as a whole.

So we get a Gran Turismo game every 3 or 4 years, that sells 10m copies, but we get a CoD game every year selling that amount.

Resi sells well, about 6m for the last one, but it is so infrequent again.

The key thing for publishers like EA and Activision (and Ubisoft for Assassin's Creed) is they are producing yearly games which are selling these numbers, the Japanese publishers are taking a few years over each game

GT Prologue also had about 5m, if we're going by "franchises" this gen, plus GT PSP around 2m.  You could also add in the DS/Wii versions of RE1/RE4 for another 2m for Resident Evil.  Plus the Chronicles spinoffs (another 2m ) if you want to branch out more.

And really, if we're doing franchise sales, Nintendo tops about everyone still, even though they don't have frequent sequels (Wii Sports @ 79m w/2 games, Super Mario @ 47m w/4 games, Mario Kart @ 40m w/2 games, Wii Fit @ 35m w/2 games, Brain-Age @ 34m w/2 games, Pokemon @ 32m w/3 games, etc)



twistedcellz on 09 June 2010

well I like gears but most of the other tithe that make use of the unreal engine looks awful to me

so Im quite happy with japanesse not usin it



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Munkeh111 on 09 June 2010
jarrod said:
Munkeh111 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Munkeh111 said:

Now GTA IV was developed in Edinburgh, with the help of the Rockstar games head office in New York. The writers themselves are based in New York, and so I think it only fair to consider it a western game.

If you look at the list of good selling franchises released by American publishers against the list of good selling Japanese games, and the US list is just going to win every single time. I haven't made a full list, because I have better things to do, but those are the first franchises that come to mind, but the key one is CoD, that alone sells 10 million every year. NFS sells 5m, Madden sells 5m FIFA has surpassed PES. There are plenty. On the Japanese side, most of the big sellers come from Nintendo, and then Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and PES, no others are that big

REsident Evil is that big too!

And MGS4 is basically at 5 Million!

And then we have the monster Gran Turismo!

Thats 3 more I added

You can't just look at individual titles, you have to look at franchise sales as a whole.

So we get a Gran Turismo game every 3 or 4 years, that sells 10m copies, but we get a CoD game every year selling that amount.

Resi sells well, about 6m for the last one, but it is so infrequent again.

The key thing for publishers like EA and Activision (and Ubisoft for Assassin's Creed) is they are producing yearly games which are selling these numbers, the Japanese publishers are taking a few years over each game

GT Prologue also had about 5m, if we're going by "franchises" this gen, plus GT PSP around 2m.  You could also add in the DS/Wii versions of RE1/RE4 for another 2m for Resident Evil.  Plus the Chronicles spinoffs (another 2m ) if you want to branch out more.

And really, if we're doing franchise sales, Nintendo tops about everyone still, even though they don't have frequent sequels (Wii Sports @ 79m w/2 games, Super Mario @ 47m w/4 games, Mario Kart @ 40m w/2 games, Wii Fit @ 35m w/2 games, Brain-Age @ 34m w/2 games, Pokemon @ 32m w/3 games, etc)


I'm ignoring Nintendo mostly, because they ruin everything and I am looking more generally at the 3rd parties. {and Wii Sports doesn't count!}

@ twistedcellz, Need for Speed, FIFA, Madden, Guitar Hero, now Assassin's Creed, Tom Clancy and more. They come every year and they sell a lot!



Kenryoku_Maxis on 09 June 2010
SaviorX said:

I'll just post what I did in the VGC article:

He says it like a blowhard without manners but he is right. There is a shift towards portables, and on the console side of things, a large majority of Japanese devs are idiots.

There, stone me.

 

What you call 'idiots', others would call being smart and not taking unnecessary risks.  Why should a Japanese company make a 200 million dollar game based on the 360 pr PS3 when the Japanese market is focused on portables and the American market is so iffy.  Is sure didn't work well for companies like Square Enix, Level 5 and Namco.  Likewise, countless other western based companies have had low selling games after trying to make high budget HD games.  But no one ever looks at those.  You only pat attention to the big sellers like Modern Warfare 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, and Halo 3.

As I've already said, the handheld market is easier to develop for simply because you can make a game for 1/10th the cost and the Japanese market is already jumping on it.  Just because some of you think consoles are the end all of gaming doesn't mean handhelds are inferior.



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