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MrBubbles said:
those individuals were as much civilians as the taliban are.


This but the terrorists were smart and enlisted naive Israel hating left winded activists from within EU to generate plenty of bad press in Europe.

Seriously the Israel should have used air to water missiles when the "humanitarian" convoy refused to stop for inspection of cargo  but they probably wanted to avoid unnecessary casualties and decided to sent commandos.



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Israel Must Release the Full Raid Tapes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/israel-must-release-the-f_b_598116.html?ref=fb&src=sp

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why not?



ProdigyBam said:

you know what was on the ship?

25% of what the israel government gives the palis EVERY DAY

 

the so called "peaceful activists" just wanted to provocate israel and they succeded

come on, shio:

now, explain me the following videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Xm8Irz-so&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=player_embedded

 

you wont, because you CANT

everybody thinks that many jew hater live in germany, thats right, but its not us real germans but the arabs and turks

funny, isnt it?

and the people here are always sad about the dead jews (ww2) and from the age of 4 you (as a german) will hear from the media that the germans are bad and so on, but nobody is caring about the jews in israel and the muslims who try to destroy israel... it just isnt right to me...

i hope, some day, humanity will wake up.. seriously

Why isn't this on the news? Wtf is wrong with the media?

Like I said, Israel only retaliates. But I'm not aware of what's been happening on the Middle East at the moment, so I'll try to keep it simple: Put yourself in the shoes of an Israel's civillian - how would you feel if you were surounded by a bunch of terrorists? Can you blame the government to try to defend their country?

 

Well actually, I've been reading the Gaza War on wikipedia (many websites are biased) and this made me sick. "Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert stated that Israel would not agree to a long term truce or lift the blockade that it has imposed on Gaza without the freeing of Gilad Shalit, an IDF soldier held captive in Gaza since June 2006.    Hamas has insisted that Shalit's release be dependent on the release of 1,400 Palestinian prisoners held by Israel and be kept separate from ceasefire negotiations."

This only shows how much Palestine cares about its soldiers, how much they care about human life. Can you even think how much he has been through? Being abducted with the age of 19, and let's just say he hasn't been on an hotel all this time. Israel doesn't torture its prisioners. The funny thing is, some people on this thread are saying that they are terrorists, they deserve to get punished, even tho they put so much effort to rescue just ONE soldier, while the true terrorists, don't give a fuck about 1400 of their own kind. Tbh, they should just let 'em rot in jails instead of wasting money on them.

@ shio

Take a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:International_reaction_to_the_2008–2009_Israel–Gaza_conflict.png

How would you feel if you were surounded by countries that hate you? Wouldn't you have the need to control things so they wouldn't set you up? They don't have many friends on the middle east, so it's kind of understandable (invading Lebon's air space), even tho I don't totally agree.

About the Israelis celebrating the death of 19 people on the boats, well first of all, they weren't innocent people, they attacked the soldiers and besides that, they were singing songs about the death of jews. How would that make you feel? To be honest, I'd do the same thing too. Besides that, there are nationalists in every country. That doesn't make Israel worse than any other civilized country.

In my point of view: A small country with 7,5 million people and yet, they have the guts to face terrorists, instead of just being neutral or not doing anything that could upset 'em, giving 'em all they want. Yes, sometimes there are collateral damages, but at least they care about it and try to avoid it at all costs. I have no idea how this could make 'em terrorists.



sad.man.loves.vgc said:
Israel Must Release the Full Raid Tapes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/israel-must-release-the-f_b_598116.html?ref=fb&src=sp

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why not?


Because there is no particular reason to.   Showing the part where the Israeli's get the upperhand serves no purpose.  The eyewitness accounts have already been rebutted as lies and showing the part where the Israeli's gain control and shoot the attackers will lead to nothing but people cropping the video to lie for their own propaganda.

Also... you really shouldn't read the Huffington Post.  It's basically Fox News level stuff.  Maybe even worse.



It's sad how shoddy the BBC reporting on this has been too.

They've treated eyewitness accounts as valuable as actual footage.

Mundane eyewitness accounts are shoddy.

Let alone eyewitness accounts during times of stress...

or Eyewitness accounts during times of stress when you have an intense bias.

Not to mention all of the connections found to terrorist groups...

It's pretty clear what has happened or at least which way the facts point to.



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caught a bit of an interview earlier with an activist on one of the more peaceful boats, who said the israeli "pirates" were very polite, even using please and thank yous when talking to them.



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Hamas refusing to allow flotilla aid into Gaza

JERUSALEM (AFP) – The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas ruling Gaza is not allowing Israel to deliver the aid brought by activists in a flotilla seized earlier this week, the Israeli military said on Wednesday.

Israel has filled 20 trucks with cargo from the captured ships, mostly medical supplies, clothes, blankets and toys, but has not been able to take them into the territory, military spokeswoman Avital Leibovitz told reporters.

"Unfortunately at this point the Palestinians are not willing to accept the cargo so the trucks that are loaded are not entering the Gaza Strip," she said.

"Our understanding is that Hamas is actually stopping the entrance of this humanitarian aid," she added.

Hamas government spokesman Taher al-Nunu declined to comment on the allegations but confirmed the Palestinian authorities in Gaza had not received any supplies.

"The priority now is to release those who were kidnapped and return them, the martyrs and the wounded to their own countries," Nunu said, referring to the nearly 700 activists on board the ships, nine of whom were killed in an Israeli raid on Monday.

He added that the delivery of the aid should be coordinated with Turkey, which supplied much of the 10,000 tonnes of building and other supplies organisers said were on the ships.

Israel had earlier said all of the more than 600 activists who had been detained were being deported, including the majority of those wounded.

Hamas social affairs minister Ahmad al-Kurd, meanwhile, told reporters that if the aid were to enter it would have to be brought in "without anything being stolen from the activists, and without any exceptions.

"This includes the prefabricated homes, the cement, the iron and the electric generators," he said.

But the Israeli military said it could not refill the trucks with more cargo until it delivered the first shipment of supplies.

The military said no weapons were found aboard the ships aside from knives, wooden batons and metal rods it says the activists used to ambush the naval commandos that stormed one of the ships, wounding six of them.

"There was nothing illegal and nothing that does not enter on a regular basis," Leibovitz said, adding that inspectors had not yet come across any cement.

Egypt and Israel largely sealed their borders with Gaza after the capture of an Israeli soldier by Hamas and other Palestinian militants in 2006 and have only allowed in limited amounts of basic goods since Hamas seized power in June 2007.

Israel has recently started allowing in limited amounts of building materials for UN projects, but the closures have severely hindered reconstruction efforts following a devastating 2008-2009 Gaza war.



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shio said:

Israelis celebrating the attack of Gaza aid fleet and death of 19 civilians: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a3_1275348204

As more and more reports and testemonies are saying Israel was the first to attack, here's one more from a popular Swedish Writer -  Henning Mankell, creator of the Wallander series, and has over 30 million copies sold wolrdwide. He was on the ship that was brutally devastated by the israeli soldiers: http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/mehmet-kaplan-landade-pa-arlanda-1.1115400

Henning Mankell said that the Israeli military attacked them with helicopters, speedboats and ships. He also says that they shot people that was sleeping, and that no matter how much israel scream that they found weapons it's complete bullshit.

 

 


I saw youtube videos where they had weapons and were chanting death to Jews or some such biggotry. One of their goals seemed to have been provoking a response, and there are ties to global terrorism amongst many members of the peace envoy, what part of that do you deny?

Also, how come you always come out on the evil side of every argument I'm in with you? You are either completely against something, and for something else, or nothing. Your personality doesn't allow you to have a middle ground or something, I feel like I'm arguing with a robot who is programmed not to listen to reason, but instead to ignore it, and find another reason as to why he is right.

Every story you post about anything is spin, and it seems like your just a giant PR machine, no matter what your endevors. Freethinking people wont fall for it, you realize, but you just through tons of the PR drivvle at the wall, hoping something will stick. I'm not your biggest fan, tbh.

I wish JUST ONCE you would stop towing the party line for whatever platform you are currently routing for, and talk like a normal person, make a joke, something....jeez bro.



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Kasz216 said:

It's sad how shoddy the BBC reporting on this has been too.

They've treated eyewitness accounts as valuable as actual footage.

Mundane eyewitness accounts are shoddy.

Let alone eyewitness accounts during times of stress...

or Eyewitness accounts during times of stress when you have an intense bias.

Not to mention all of the connections found to terrorist groups...

It's pretty clear what has happened or at least which way the facts point to.


Do you believe that perhaps one intent of the floatilla's provocation was to create just such an incident, with the intention to make Israel look bad to the international community?



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Oh God, I can hardly handle the left wing anti-semitism in this thread.  The Muslims have been strapping bombs to mentally retarded people, to women, to kids, to blow up Israeli children, and yet everyone on the left is just SO ready to pounce on Israel and blame them for EVERYTHING under the sun.

Clearly Israel is willing to allow aid in.  They offered these very people to take it in.  These people did NOT want to get aid in.  They'd go through proper channels if they did.  Instead, they want the embargo over.  Period.  Why?  Not to get humanitarian aid in.  That can, and does, already get in.  Instead, they want the embargo over, so they can get Iranian missiles into Hamas.  A terrorist organization bent on the death and destruction of Israel, and the US after that.

The self destructive, self loathing left, is out of control.  You are reflexively bigoted.  You are wrong.  Your ends, will result in a massive world war.  It is coming thanks to the moral equivalency of the left.  We are doomed thanks to morons, who fail to inform themselves, and deny the obvious.