Yes, and according to the same Statistic Canada data that you're referring to, the percentage of bilingualism for native French speaking people has stayed roughly the same since 1991.  With 36.6% of them speaking both languages as of 2001 compared to 31.3% in 1991.   One third of

@ I_Hate_Itagaki: That was such a cute tantrum. But sadly, it was compltely empty of any significant substance. ^_- 

Yes, and according to the same Statistic Canada data that you're referring to, the percentage of bilinguism for native French speaking people has stayed roughly the same since 1991.  With 36.6% of them speaking both languages as of 2001 compared to 31.3% in 1991.   One third of the population doesn't represent the norm, no matter how you want to stretch it.

Here, you want sources: http://www.salic-slmc.ca/showpage.asp?file=langues_en_presence/langues_off/taux_biling&language=fr&updatemenu=true

The english being stronger than ever in Québec does not make it the norm, if you would so much as try to comprehend what people write before posting your shit, maybe you wouldn't put yourself in that kind of stupid situation. ;)

In fact, your stats are perfectly in accordance with what I said.  Again, they're still not illustrating the norm, nor refuting any of my claims. ^_-

@ I_Hate_Itagaki: That was such a cute tantrum. But sadly, it was compltely empty of any significant substance. ^_- 

Yea I understand. You couldnt read what I just wrote. From where are you Mr.IM2GOOD4U?

@ Weegee, did you noticed that he's one of those vendu who loves to show he's smart? Always talking like a frais chier and thinking he's smarter and all. Does he remember you someone (or alot of people)?

Yeah but i didn't claim that english is the norm , I just said that you were wrong to think 20 year ago english was more strong.

Also the whole conversation was about English Voice VS Japan Voice, nobody provided proofs that japanese or american was better at localizing or traducting.

Itagaki and I were just saying that you can't say that one language traduction is better than an other if you can't understand the language because you will not be able to hear the language default and you can't argue that.

Also Rutea7 was the first to said english sucks compare to japanese one so Itagaki just took the defense of english (and me too).

If Rutea7 had said 'I prefer japanese over english' that would be correct but he just said that english suck so we got the right to say 'No you are wrong'.

I could read that garbage of yours, of course.  But it just showed me, from your reliance on nothing but petty insults to the fact that you provided nothing to push your position forward in a meaningful way, that you had lost the debate before you had even started to post.

It goes beyond understanding how knowing something about a subject would make someone a "vendu" as you call it.  When you clearly are the one who can't provide anything of subtance, other than your admitted ignorance, to support this Western VS Japanese voice acting subject that was the point of the discussion here.  Of course, I never once claimed I was an otaku, or that I prefered to play my games in Japanese when the choice is given to me.  Talking out of your arse much, eh? ¬_¬

And to address your comment about showing how smart one is, I'd rather love to show brain over retardedness like you continually do here.

Cheers.

I could read that garbage of yours, of course.  But it just showed me, from your reliance on nothing but petty insults to the fact that you provided nothing to push your position forward in a meaningful way, that you had lost the debate before you had even started to post.

It goes beyond understanding how knowing something about a subject would make someone a "vendu" as you call it.  When you clearly are the one who can't provide anything of subtance, other than your admitted ignorance, to support this Western VS Japanese voice acting subject that was the point of the discussion here.  Of course, I never once claimed I was an otaku, or that I prefered to play my games in Japanese when the choice is given to me.  Talking out of your arse much, eh? ¬_¬

And to address your comment about showing how smart one is, I'd rather love to show brain over retardedness like you continually do here.

Cheers.

Yeah but i didn't claim that english is the norm , I just said that you were wrong to think 20 year ago english was more strong.

Also the whole conversation was about English Voice VS Japan Voice, nobody provided proofs that japanese or american was better at localizing or traducting.

Itagaki and I were just saying that you can't say that one language traduction is better than an other if you can't understand the language because you will not be able to hear the language default and you can't argue that.

Also Rutea7 was the first to said english sucks compare to japanese one so Itagaki just took the defense of english (and me too).

If Rutea7 had said 'I prefer japanese over english' that would be correct but he just said that english suck so we got the right to say 'No you are wrong'.

for ur information in valkyria chronicles i prefered the english version cause the seyu for alicia annoyed me.

generally though the english version of japanese games IS half assed

sad but true

u guys just managed to sound xenophobic with your comments though

i will rest my case

First, I didn't say or think that English was stronger in Québec 20 years ago.

Here's where I think you misunderstood what I said:

"The younger generations , those born in the late 70s, the 80s and later, have a much better understanding than the rest and many are even bilingual but they are not the norm.  I don't know who you are trying to fool here."

What it means is that the younger generations I mentioned were born in an era where bilinguism is on the rise.  But I already illustrated how this rise isn't that big when you only take the natively French speaking people, which were the center of my argument to begin with.

Now, I didn't not talk about the localization process.  I only mentioned Voice acting work and the overall difference in quality from both sides.  Stating that the quality is more consistent in Japan than it is in the West.  Providing comparison data is impossible at this point in time as none exist.  But as Rutea7 (she's a girl, by the way) and I pointed out, the fact that the trained voice actor pool is significantly bigger there than in the west is indication enough to understand the impact it can have on the final results.  For people who can understand both languages, most of the time they will stick to the original Japanese version, mentioning the quality of the acting almost at every turn.  You can call those people "vendus" or "weeaboos" but you'd do that only in ignorance of what they're talking about since you don't understand the language yourself.

Just take you, I_Hate_Itagaki and me for example.  I'd wager we all prefer to play our games and watch our movies in English rather than in French.  And this is mostly because the quality of the French voice acting is usually not on par with the English versions.

I'll post more later, whenever I find something more consistent to illustrate my points.

P.S. : The argument could go both ways though.  You could provide proof that Japanese voice acting isn't of better quality overall than what is found in occident. ¬_¬