Lol, I was talking about back end software not the actual game software!

but that's the point it's not :

look at what he stated:

you have seen what the EYETOY has been able to do, right?

example:

and it enabled making the things we already did with EyeToy more robust, but it didn’t really enable as many new experiences as what we were hoping it would enable, so it made the things we were already able to do a little bit more robust — which is good — but it adds a lot of cost and it didn’t enable some of the other experiences we wanted to achieve.”

so

by going by a man who has been working on motion control development for year's with his experience with motion control's he is saying what they have done with it made with the EYETOY more robust, thus if the eyetoy work's which it does. than How would there be a real problem in seeing how the Experience of Natal would not be along the same line's as The EYETOY?

Now by

also going with his take it would be more robust there would be function's that the EYETOY would byitself not be able to do.

thus that's why Sony uses Move combined with THE EYETOY. but what we do know is the EYETOY byitself can do some pretty good stuff for game's so it stand's to reason that if you are just taking the camera's of each by themselves that the natal camera will be able to do more thing's that they EYETOY would not.

this is not just from Microsoft but also someone with extensive experience with motion control's i doubt very much that his experienced would not be insightful about Natal. which by his experience Natal is pretty good. he even like's the technology himself.

if anything they were even thinking of using it instead of the Eyetoy to combine with Move.

that should tell you something right there!

lol even backend..the tool's for MOVE is pretty extensive.

Hmmm some thoughts here:

1) What big names have actually advertised Natal? I haven't seen any commercials for Natal. I have seen videos of various people playing Natal, and I've seen Natal on Jimmy Fallon, but I've seen no celebrity "endorsement" or paid advertisements.

2) Microsoft has made Natal available to people to play that ricochet game at numerous venues; the buzz is generated from that, and honestly, I think even the most avid of 360 fans is tired of hearing about ricochet and looking for something new.

3) I find it interesting for someone to say that they were interested in Move, but were never interested in the Wii. I'm not saying that the Move isn't more accurate tech, but I wonder how many people REALLY thought, "man I'd love a Wii, its just not accurate enough!" This is not aimed at the op, just a general comment.

4) Another generalization - as very few actual games have been shown for either peripheral, I'd guess that any persons preference at this time, would be somewhat tainted by their personal preference for either Sony or MS.

To be honest, I figure that given the propensity for cognitive dissonance often displayed on forums such as these, I doubt E3 will really convince people one way or the other, and most will fall back on their pre-E3 dispositions.

Sony doesn't devote 500+ people to R+D on Move related projects not involving the actual creation of games. I have heard from one person privately that the number of people working on non game related Natal things is actually over 1000.

Not the tool - the actual algorithms.  NATAL is a neuro-network based simulution and prediction algorithm for human movement layered on top of a 3D spatial detection mechanism.  Move is a straightforward bit of tracking code at its core.  Given the concept, most CS professionals could probably write code to accomplish the same thing as Move.  NATAL - not so much.

that's funny because they do not have too.  and many of their SDK tool's are generated for Move right from the R&D @ sony where it get's sent out to 1st party and 2nd party developer's  and also 3rd party which. by the way includes  way over 500+ people working on Move game's because it's not just one studio.

so that not anything out of the relm that Microsoft is not doing themselves.

and even if that is the case. which may or may not be true. that still has very little in the way of "well our software is more complicated" because the tool's all boil down to what's inside the SDK , and the API's that you enploy an what work's and what does not.

If anything Sony has put in more tool's toward their motion control's than ever before.

You don't think ms is holding a completely separate E3 presentation for Natal just to show more of the ball-breaking game do you? And am I the only one that remembers the e3 demo they were browsing the netflix library and playing a movie without using a controller? I read somewhere that MS has plans for using Natal as a Home media interface (no more remotes). This to me is worth the purchase alone - games are icing on the cake.

that will still be done on the xbox360's end not the camera's end for the processing, so it would be the same if sony used the same camera on the PS3. now not saying the Natal camera is not advanced or anything like that it's the algorithms are still on the processor level.

yes they could but the problem it still would not be as accurate not have the button interface as what both the Wii and the PS3 offer unless Microsoft's going to combine the xbox360 controller with Natal for Game's.

Now though Outside of just game's Natal is pretty intriging as a control interface which is why i am very excited for Natal.

This video from another thread shows Move is more like a 3D mouse than a Wii-mote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jbElxoWFc
I haven't seen nothing like this with the Wii-mote.
Let hope there will be a PC version.

 P.S if Natal works as well as Move it should be able to do the same thing. Yet that's the real question, can it track as good  with speed something  less predictable (your body) as a very predictable sized ball on the end of a controller?