well then money should be made soon.

nightsurge said: joeorc said: nightsurge said: joeorc said: Solid_Snake4RD said: nightsurge said: phinch1 said: Solid_Snake4RD said: phinch1 said: It's still the same price, It just means Sony are now making profit on every ps3 sold, which is very good news, as they can start making back on that big loss they posted Sony was already making profit in the 1st Quarter JAN-MAR as Sony said   this increase it Even better maybe this time next year we shall see the rewards with a small price cut early 2011 or maybe even christmas 2010 depending on how many well gt5 and other great titles sell This is wrong.  They were not making a profit until this new unit.  This new unit is the first time they have broken even or made any profit (depending on region). SONY themselsves said they were making profits from the PS3 SLIM launched in SPETEMBER 2009 in JAN-MAR quarter and would further make profits when 40nm is introduced in MAY 2010 yup. even before this new playstation 3 with the smaller gpu inside shipped.   No they were not making profit on PS3 hardware at all until this new unit.  Your info, Solid_Snake, is wrong. yes they did. unless your saying places like businessweek are wrong: Friday May 21, 2010 "Things began to change in the second half of last year when Sony launched a redesigned PlayStation 3. Advances in electronics and manufacturing meant the console was cheaper to produce and Sony managed to boost sales by reducing the price. The move paid off. In the final three months of 2009 sales of the console hit 6.5 million, up 2 million units for the same period of 2008. The strong performance continued into 2010 with sales in the first three months of the year of 2.2 million, up 600,000 units on the year. "During the three month period Sony started making money on each console sold."   They are referring to the new unit which Sony announced to be able to make a profit during this time but wasn't much available until the last few weeks.

no they weren't,SONY CFO said they were able to profit on the existing console under $10 for the JAN-MAR period.

the new RSX didn't even come into play in that period.

yes they were your info is wrong

nightsurge said: joeorc said: nightsurge said: joeorc said: Solid_Snake4RD said: nightsurge said: phinch1 said: Solid_Snake4RD said: phinch1 said: It's still the same price, It just means Sony are now making profit on every ps3 sold, which is very good news, as they can start making back on that big loss they posted Sony was already making profit in the 1st Quarter JAN-MAR as Sony said   this increase it Even better maybe this time next year we shall see the rewards with a small price cut early 2011 or maybe even christmas 2010 depending on how many well gt5 and other great titles sell This is wrong.  They were not making a profit until this new unit.  This new unit is the first time they have broken even or made any profit (depending on region). SONY themselsves said they were making profits from the PS3 SLIM launched in SPETEMBER 2009 in JAN-MAR quarter and would further make profits when 40nm is introduced in MAY 2010 yup. even before this new playstation 3 with the smaller gpu inside shipped.   No they were not making profit on PS3 hardware at all until this new unit.  Your info, Solid_Snake, is wrong. yes they did. unless your saying places like businessweek are wrong: Friday May 21, 2010 "Things began to change in the second half of last year when Sony launched a redesigned PlayStation 3. Advances in electronics and manufacturing meant the console was cheaper to produce and Sony managed to boost sales by reducing the price. The move paid off. In the final three months of 2009 sales of the console hit 6.5 million, up 2 million units for the same period of 2008. The strong performance continued into 2010 with sales in the first three months of the year of 2.2 million, up 600,000 units on the year. "During the three month period Sony started making money on each console sold."   They are referring to the new unit which Sony announced to be able to make a profit during this time but wasn't much available until the last few weeks.

no they weren't.RSX weren't in production till April and were shipped nowhere.you really think if they were making profit then they would have shortages for GOD OF WAR launch.

nightsurge said: joeorc said: nightsurge said: joeorc said: nightsurge said: joeorc said: Solid_Snake4RD said: nightsurge said: phinch1 said: Solid_Snake4RD said: phinch1 said: It's still the same price, It just means Sony are now making profit on every ps3 sold, which is very good news, as they can start making back on that big loss they posted Sony was already making profit in the 1st Quarter JAN-MAR as Sony said   this increase it Even better maybe this time next year we shall see the rewards with a small price cut early 2011 or maybe even christmas 2010 depending on how many well gt5 and other great titles sell This is wrong.  They were not making a profit until this new unit.  This new unit is the first time they have broken even or made any profit (depending on region). SONY themselsves said they were making profits from the PS3 SLIM launched in SPETEMBER 2009 in JAN-MAR quarter and would further make profits when 40nm is introduced in MAY 2010 yup. even before this new playstation 3 with the smaller gpu inside shipped.   No they were not making profit on PS3 hardware at all until this new unit.  Your info, Solid_Snake, is wrong. yes they did. unless your saying places like businessweek are wrong: Friday May 21, 2010 "Things began to change in the second half of last year when Sony launched a redesigned PlayStation 3. Advances in electronics and manufacturing meant the console was cheaper to produce and Sony managed to boost sales by reducing the price. The move paid off. In the final three months of 2009 sales of the console hit 6.5 million, up 2 million units for the same period of 2008. The strong performance continued into 2010 with sales in the first three months of the year of 2.2 million, up 600,000 units on the year. "During the three month period Sony started making money on each console sold."   They are referring to the new unit which Sony announced to be able to make a profit during this time but wasn't much available until the last few weeks. does it matter what they were talking about? unless you think they are talking about the retail space buying the new production model's would not count on sony making money per each sold unit?. any case it's still sold! thus anyway you slice it the PS3 was making a profit per/system sold for 3 straight month's. No, actually business week is wrong as well.  Not really wrong, per say, mostly just a misunderstanding exactly how you and Solid are misunderstanding. Sony informed everyone that the reason they had shortages was because they had been working on a new revision to the RSX.  They said this revision would be able to cause profit.  However, this revision did not hit shelves until the last few weeks, outside of the first quarter. So really what business week did was infer that Sony had gotten those new units out already when in fact they hadn't.  Either that or the supply was so low it went unnoticed among the other models. Regardless, none of this matters because you and I are in agreement that it was the NEW MODEL with new RSX that was/is making a profit. I was simply arguing against Solid_Snake who claimed that the PS3 model from 2009 had been profitable at some point which it wasn't.

no sony didn't start to ship the RSX and they didn't say why the shortages were for

we has shortages till the last week of MARCH and APRIL start too,heck the shortages are still there.they are supposed to ship the 40nm RSX  in MAY

the CFO himself said they were able to profit from the existing models.I didn't mean it from the 2009 models,i meant they were able to make profit from other blu-ray,die,other things,etc according to the SONY CFO started making profit.

the 2009 models were sold out,why the hell would i mean those

PS4 is atleast 2 years far and if SONY are to cut price on the PS3 then they will have to go for the smaller sizes

PS3 would be $149 but it would take time for that and if they have to go for 10 years,they will have to

Wow, Solid, you quote like 4 of my posts and in every one you are still completely wrong.

Sony's CFO said they would be able to profit of off the NEW MODEL WITH NEW RSX by less than $10 per console sold.

Sony DID SAY why there were shortages which was because of the new model trying to get into production.

Seriously... you are completely wrong. If you think you're right why don't you find some links and articles to back up what you're saying? You won't find any...

And for n+1th time : Stop spreading this absolute nonsense. Sony had 13mio units manufactured according to regional forecasts for fy 2009. 13mio units were delivered into the regions and it so happens that America underestimated the demand. End of Story.

The mere idea that Sony stopped the manufacturing chain just to wait for the new RSX chips (or _any_ chip) to arrive is so stupid, electric sparks out of your keyboard should have zappped you when you typed that nonsense. Do you really think everybody would have just sat down and waited/gone to Hawaii just in case the chips would have been 2 weeks late?

And especially for you for the n+2nd time: Sony delivered exactly the amount of PS3s that were ordered for the fj. Not one unit more, not one unit less. And this idea may be completely foreign to you but in order to deliver those units, they ordered exactly the right amount of components to be able to deliver these orderd units.

Good Lord: What is so diffcult to understand in the concept that:

a) A company delivers exactly the amount of goods its subsidies ordered from it

b) A company makes sure that they actually have the components to build these units ?

PS: After weeks of no 120G units on shelves, Switzerland's shops are slowly filling with 120G units again. And guess what: Model CHK2004A, the "old" slim model...

its still not completely in stock.. gamestop and amazon are showing "sold out"