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Solid_Snake4RD on 21 May 2010
Notorius.A.i.G said:
I hope there are no more shortages for the PS3.

there nirmally won't be but it could also be that SONY could create shortages so that people buy PS3 later this fall which will have even more savings



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phinch1 on 21 May 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
phinch1 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
phinch1 said:
It's still the same price, It just means Sony are now making profit on every ps3 sold, which is very good news, as they can start making back on that big loss they posted

Sony was already making profit in the 1st Quarter JAN-MAR as Sony said

 

this increase it

Even better maybe this time next year we shall see the rewards with a small price cut early 2011 or maybe even christmas 2010 depending on how many well gt5 and other great titles sell

we for sure won't see it in  2011 start as there is no point to cut it at that time.

 

we could see a $50 depening upon 360's performance and its price cut.

 

32nm CELL is already coming this fall and with other price reduction of blu-ray and else,we will see a $50 this fall if 360 has an impact.Sony won't be sitting back this time as this is the peak time and if they wanna continue the momentum they will not sit back now.

Another cell? awesome! can you find a source?, not that I don't believe you I just want to read up on it



joeorc on 21 May 2010

psst.

Having already shrunk its powerful Cell processor used in the PS3 to a 45nm production process, IBM is planning to quickly transition to 22nm.

their plan is to skip the 32nm scale!

At 22nm, the existing techniques for microprocessor manufacturing useful at the 45nm and 32nm nodes will become obsolete.  While currently lithography techniques cannot produce 22nm circuitry, IBM has developed a new approach called Computational Scaling, which will allow for this tiny-scale production.  The new technique uses advanced mathematical computation to adjust the shape of the masks and illuminating source during etching.

One key advantage of IBM's breakthrough is that it can advance from 32nm to 22nm without fundamental changes to its equipment.  While Intel and AMD are likely to devise similar techniques, the early breakthrough may allow IBM to seize a lead in shrinking, helping it to continue Moore's Law.



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ps:

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Baalzamon on 21 May 2010

Well, as the Cell gets cheaper and cheaper to make, along with the RSX, Sony's profits will continue to rise per console (obviously). As previously mentioned, blu-ray players are also going down in price, and if the same hard drive is continuously used, that will continue to go down in price. You figure in all 4 of those things, and I defiantly see no price cut w/o 360 price cut this fall or $50 price cut with 360 price cut.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 21 May 2010
phinch1 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
phinch1 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
phinch1 said:
It's still the same price, It just means Sony are now making profit on every ps3 sold, which is very good news, as they can start making back on that big loss they posted

Sony was already making profit in the 1st Quarter JAN-MAR as Sony said

 

this increase it

Even better maybe this time next year we shall see the rewards with a small price cut early 2011 or maybe even christmas 2010 depending on how many well gt5 and other great titles sell

we for sure won't see it in  2011 start as there is no point to cut it at that time.

 

we could see a $50 depening upon 360's performance and its price cut.

 

32nm CELL is already coming this fall and with other price reduction of blu-ray and else,we will see a $50 this fall if 360 has an impact.Sony won't be sitting back this time as this is the peak time and if they wanna continue the momentum they will not sit back now.

Another cell? awesome! can you find a source?, not that I don't believe you I just want to read up on it

toshiba and IBM are siad to be working on it.they have just said that they are trying to shrink it.

 

also the normal cycle has been than CELL reductions happen once an year same as RSX for the last 3 years and what they are aiming for here



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Solid_Snake4RD on 21 May 2010
joeorc said:

psst.

Having already shrunk its powerful Cell processor used in the PS3 to a 45nm production process, IBM is planning to quickly transition to 22nm.

their plan is to skip the 32nm scale!

At 22nm, the existing techniques for microprocessor manufacturing useful at the 45nm and 32nm nodes will become obsolete.  While currently lithography techniques cannot produce 22nm circuitry, IBM has developed a new approach called Computational Scaling, which will allow for this tiny-scale production.  The new technique uses advanced mathematical computation to adjust the shape of the masks and illuminating source during etching.

One key advantage of IBM's breakthrough is that it can advance from 32nm to 22nm without fundamental changes to its equipment.  While Intel and AMD are likely to devise similar techniques, the early breakthrough may allow IBM to seize a lead in shrinking, helping it to continue Moore's Law.

the plan to skip 32nm was because when earlier they were reducing CELL to 32nm and skiping 45nm for the PS3,it was taking too much time so they and SONY decided to stop the 32nm reseach and went back to 45nm.

 

don't know whether they have altogether skipped 32nm.Now that they have 45nm,it would be easier to go to 32nm.

 

it could also be that they would stright go to 22nm for fall 2011 but they could also do that by taking out 32nm this fall and then 22nm next fall.it would take money for reseach of both of them but it will also save money for PS3 or they could dave the 32nm research costs and go straight to 22nm but will not get the cost saving they can make this fall.



Slimebeast on 21 May 2010

So does this mean we won't see a Super Slim in a while?



joeorc on 21 May 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
joeorc said:

psst.

Having already shrunk its powerful Cell processor used in the PS3 to a 45nm production process, IBM is planning to quickly transition to 22nm.

their plan is to skip the 32nm scale!

At 22nm, the existing techniques for microprocessor manufacturing useful at the 45nm and 32nm nodes will become obsolete.  While currently lithography techniques cannot produce 22nm circuitry, IBM has developed a new approach called Computational Scaling, which will allow for this tiny-scale production.  The new technique uses advanced mathematical computation to adjust the shape of the masks and illuminating source during etching.

One key advantage of IBM's breakthrough is that it can advance from 32nm to 22nm without fundamental changes to its equipment.  While Intel and AMD are likely to devise similar techniques, the early breakthrough may allow IBM to seize a lead in shrinking, helping it to continue Moore's Law.

the plan to skip 32nm was because when earlier they were reducing CELL to 32nm and skiping 45nm for the PS3,it was taking too much time so they and SONY decided to stop the 32nm reseach and went back to 45nm.

 

don't know whether they have altogether skipped 32nm.Now that they have 45nm,it would be easier to go to 32nm.

 

it could also be that they would stright go to 22nm for fall 2011 but they could also do that by taking out 32nm this fall and then 22nm next fall.it would take money for reseach of both of them but it will also save money for PS3 or they could dave the 32nm research costs and go straight to 22nm but will not get the cost saving they can make this fall.

IBM is already at 22nm scale and have been since  they have already been perfecting the process for 22nm scale, and IBM are not the only one's EVEN Intel

Intel Reveals 22nm Chips And Atom Developer Program At IDF

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - by Shawn Oliver
Think 32nm is hot stuff? That's nothing. Today at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco, Intel showcased a silicon wafer containing the world's first working chips built on 22nm process technology. The 22nm test circuits included both SRAM memory as well as logic circuits to be used in future Intel microprocessors, and these days, any reduction in process technology size is a fairly significant step forward. And to think--Intel has introduced not one step down, but two in a single year. While we're currently using 45nm chips, Intel has showcased 32nm processors and now 22nm processors within the span of about six months. Paul Otellini, Intel's head man, had this to say about the announcement:
At Intel, Moore's Law is alive and thriving. We've begun production of the world's first 32nm microprocessor, which is also the first high-performance processor to integrate graphics with the CPU. At the same time, we're already moving ahead with development of our 22nm manufacturing technology and have built working chips that will pave the way for production of still more powerful and more capable processors."
The 22nm wafer displayed by Otellini is made up of individual die containing 364 million bits of SRAM memory and has more than 2.9 billion transistors packed into an area the size of a fingernail. Pretty insane, yeah? Here's a blurb from Intel on its upcoming plans--you know, since 32nm stuff is so early 2009.
"By continuing to lead in manufacturing technology Intel is able to innovate and integrate new features and functions into its processors. Intel's 32nm process is now certified and Westmere processor wafers are moving through the factory in support of planned fourth quarter revenue production. Following the move to 32nm Intel will subsequently introduce Sandy Bridge, Intel's next new microarchitecture. Sandy Bridge will feature a sixth generation graphics core on the same die as the processor core and includes AVX instructions for floating point, media, and processor intensive software."
Both Dell and Acer are already onboard with the program, and it sure sounds as if this is just the beginning of future netbook app stores. Now that would be something of interest! Developers can learn more about the program, APIs, validation process and application store framework through appdeveloper.intel.com. Applications for ISV and software developer memberships are currently being accepted. Members will be given access to tools and resources that will aid the pre-development process. The Intel Atom Developer Program software development kits will be available to members in late fall.
As you can see 22nm is well on it's way it's pretty much on for a late 2010 to early 2011 release i would guess for the 22nm scale processor scale chip's.
SOC processor's scale very well and very fast to shrink their size in very short amount of time. the Cell is also a SOC so it's nm scale reduction roadmap is pretty much inline as it is on the ATOM scale line at Intel, IBM and Toshiba have reduced the scale at a fast rate also, just like Intel has with the Atom line of processor's


I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Solid_Snake4RD on 21 May 2010
Slimebeast said:
So does this mean we won't see a Super Slim in a while?

you are forgetting PS3 120GB AND 250GB were never called the SLIM by SONY or labled SLIM,IT was jsut called a SLIMMER version of the the PS3.

 

you can go search on AMAZON and gamestop and they aren't selling it as SLIM but as 120gb and 250gb

 

the real PS3 SLIM would come in fall 2011 like the PS2 SLIM and would sell at less than $200.



Slimebeast on 21 May 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Slimebeast said:
So does this mean we won't see a Super Slim in a while?

you are forgetting PS3 120GB AND 250GB were never called the SLIM by SONY or labled SLIM,IT was jsut called a SLIMMER version of the the PS3.

 

you can go search on AMAZON and gamestop and they aren't selling it as SLIM but as 120gb and 250gb

 

the real PS3 SLIM would come in fall 2011 like the PS2 SLIM and would sell at less than $200.

So u fink that an even slimmer PS3 wont be out until Fall 2011?