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RageBot said:
Smashchu2 said:
Mummelmann said:
Smashchu2 said:
5 of the top 10 are Nintendo, with most of the non-Nintendo stuff is week one sales. I am waiting for the time in which Nintendo games are the only ones in the top 10.

NSMBWii was pushed to 12 due to week 1 games (and a 3). Just dance doing well in Others. Surprised that Ubisoft actually wants to reduce Wii support after this title.

Maybe, artistically speaking, they want to make games that aren't about dancing as well. Crazy thought.

Except that that dancing title is still selling and may do better then ever game they released this generation.

Business is about making money. If a silly dancing game is what makes you money, you make a silly dancing game. Just Dance will prove that the Wii is where their primary resources need to be. Esscially as Ubisoft and most 3rd party developers are underpreforming, if not losing money.

So, they should only make Just Dance 2, 3, World Tour, Lady GaGa version, 5 etc?

You make perfect sense!

Or more like - You don't get it.

Since I just don't get it, why don't you enlighten me.



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Smashchu2 said:
Mummelmann said:
Or perhaps they want to keep making games like Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 as well? There are ways of making money outside of the Wii (this is the biggest myth this gen) if you make an effort and I don't think any developer dreams of making only dance games.
What if you were a professional painter that was only allowed to draw stick figures? Hardly fulfilling. Most developers will probably want to both turn a profit and make different games.

Except there is the element of time. You can make more money. You can not make more time. As much as they'd "like" to make Assassian's Creed games (or the likes), it is a waste of time when they can be doing different things that will make more money (and may take less time).

The highlight is the reason why gaming (or traditional gaming) is dying. You do not get to make what you want. It was interesting that you mentioned artist becuase most art was created because the artist had to do it. They were commisioned to do something. This is how they got by. This is why modern art is stupid. No one actual commisions the work. They sit in a studio and make weird stuff. Gaming is becoming this too. They make what they think is creative, but no one actually demands it. They do it for themselves, not for others. Game developers today make games for theselves. Just Dance is successful becuase it is what people want. The developers obviously weren't trying to have fun doing it. This is work, not play time.

The mass market you're talking about doesn't replace the more sophisticated one. It makes sense producing for either of them as long as they aren't saturated. So doing the way you suggest, saturation of the mass market would be eventually reached, while the other market would be underexploited. Black or white isn't the way the world works. What's true is that wannabe artists (or their gaming counterparts) won't make a living out of their work, you're right about this. But really creative and talented developers can exploit the smaller "elitist" market a lot better than the mass one, where they'd be wasted and competing with the crowd they'd end up being underrated and underpaid.

 



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Smashchu2 said:
Mummelmann said:
Or perhaps they want to keep making games like Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 as well? There are ways of making money outside of the Wii (this is the biggest myth this gen) if you make an effort and I don't think any developer dreams of making only dance games.
What if you were a professional painter that was only allowed to draw stick figures? Hardly fulfilling. Most developers will probably want to both turn a profit and make different games.

Except there is the element of time. You can make more money. You can not make more time. As much as they'd "like" to make Assassian's Creed games (or the likes), it is a waste of time when they can be doing different things that will make more money (and may take less time).

The highlight is the reason why gaming (or traditional gaming) is dying. You do not get to make what you want. It was interesting that you mentioned artist becuase most art was created because the artist had to do it. They were commisioned to do something. This is how they got by. This is why modern art is stupid. No one actual commisions the work. They sit in a studio and make weird stuff. Gaming is becoming this too. They make what they think is creative, but no one actually demands it. They do it for themselves, not for others. Game developers today make games for theselves. Just Dance is successful becuase it is what people want. The developers obviously weren't trying to have fun doing it. This is work, not play time.

The mass market you're talking about doesn't replace the more sophisticated one. It makes sense producing for either of them as long as they aren't saturated. So doing the way you suggest, saturation of the mass market would be eventually reached, while the other market would be underexploited. Black or white isn't the way the world works. What's true is that wannabe artists (or their gaming counterparts) won't make a living out of their work, you're right about this. But really creative and talented developers can exploit the smaller "elitist" market a lot better than the mass one, where they'd be wasted and competing with the crowd they'd end up being underrated and underpaid.

 

What your suggesting is not what they should do. You look at this from the smaller market's view.

If they want to play in both markets, then the resources need to be allocated to them as they need. The mass market division gets far more resources, devlopers, space, and will make more games. That market is much bigger. The smaller niche market gets fewer of everything and gets maybe one game a year. This is so long as the contribution margin of those games exceeds their cost. There could be the problem that the niche market is more demanding, in which case they may be ignored becuase to cater them would require too many resources that could be better allocated to mass market games.



Smashchu2 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Smashchu2 said:
Mummelmann said:
Or perhaps they want to keep making games like Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 as well? There are ways of making money outside of the Wii (this is the biggest myth this gen) if you make an effort and I don't think any developer dreams of making only dance games.
What if you were a professional painter that was only allowed to draw stick figures? Hardly fulfilling. Most developers will probably want to both turn a profit and make different games.

Except there is the element of time. You can make more money. You can not make more time. As much as they'd "like" to make Assassian's Creed games (or the likes), it is a waste of time when they can be doing different things that will make more money (and may take less time).

The highlight is the reason why gaming (or traditional gaming) is dying. You do not get to make what you want. It was interesting that you mentioned artist becuase most art was created because the artist had to do it. They were commisioned to do something. This is how they got by. This is why modern art is stupid. No one actual commisions the work. They sit in a studio and make weird stuff. Gaming is becoming this too. They make what they think is creative, but no one actually demands it. They do it for themselves, not for others. Game developers today make games for theselves. Just Dance is successful becuase it is what people want. The developers obviously weren't trying to have fun doing it. This is work, not play time.

The mass market you're talking about doesn't replace the more sophisticated one. It makes sense producing for either of them as long as they aren't saturated. So doing the way you suggest, saturation of the mass market would be eventually reached, while the other market would be underexploited. Black or white isn't the way the world works. What's true is that wannabe artists (or their gaming counterparts) won't make a living out of their work, you're right about this. But really creative and talented developers can exploit the smaller "elitist" market a lot better than the mass one, where they'd be wasted and competing with the crowd they'd end up being underrated and underpaid.

 

What your suggesting is not what they should do. You look at this from the smaller market's view.

If they want to play in both markets, then the resources need to be allocated to them as they need. The mass market division gets far more resources, devlopers, space, and will make more games. That market is much bigger. The smaller niche market gets fewer of everything and gets maybe one game a year. This is so long as the contribution margin of those games exceeds their cost. There could be the problem that the niche market is more demanding, in which case they may be ignored becuase to cater them would require too many resources that could be better allocated to mass market games.

What you wrote now is quite different (or so it appears) and it makes a lot more sense. In the end, anyway, if the developers are more than what the market can absorb, the market segment more flooded by them in ratio to its needs will be the one where most developers will suffer. And like in art world, "artists" not up to their ambition will always suffer until they eventually accept humbler tasks, this means that costly hardcore projects are more at risk, I totally agree, but developers and teams up to the challenge can profit a lot on the more difficult market where less prepared competitors are likely to be crushed. And this doesn't even take into account the overwhelming domination by Nintendo on some subsegments of the "easier" market. So the key is carefully evaluating the market demand and never overestimating its own talent, but also knowing what each one is best at. This means that quantitatively, overall, you are right, but it must not become an inflexible rule.



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