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Khuutra said:
Oh then I guess you would have already read Arham Asylum? Or the new book, Joker? You'll be able to spot it because Joker has a Glasgow smile in it (and this design was made before Ledger's!)

"Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader" by Neil Gaiman is also aces...

Mhm, both Arkham Asylum and Joker are great. I also really (really) enjoyed The Long Halloween and Dark Victory as well. And of course, there's The Killing Joke... but that's without saying.



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Smeags said:

Mhm, both Arkham Asylum and Joker are great. I also really (really) enjoyed The Long Halloween and Dark Victory as well. And of course, there's The Killing Joke... but that's without saying.

Seriously though read the Sentry - the first series, I mean. The collection has the first miniseries and one-shots tying in with other major characters, it is super duper



Khuutra said:
Oh then I guess you would have already read Arham Asylum? Or the new book, Joker? You'll be able to spot it because Joker has a Glasgow smile in it (and this design was made before Ledger's!)

"Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader" by Neil Gaiman is also aces...

You know, I'm a HUGE fan of DC/Marvel Comics but after being hit by the one-two punch of Infinite Crisis AND Civil War, I realized I was spending way too much on comics (even more than video games!) so I let them go for the most part.  I only started reading comics again in July of last year, picking up collected issues and downloading whatever PSP Comics caught my eye.  I missed both of those, and now that I think about it, I missed Alex Ross's painted issues of the Justice Storyline.  I gotta put Arkham Asylum AND Joker on my list. 

 

Oh, and Final Crisis sucked balls.



Khuutra said:

Seriously though read the Sentry - the first series, I mean. The collection has the first miniseries and one-shots tying in with other major characters, it is super duper

I'll give it a shot. From the sound of it, it looks like The Sentry is everything that Superman should have been*... which greatly intrigues me!

*As you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of the character of Superman, I really only find him interesting when Batman is involved, as the two are definitely clashes of character.



d21lewis said:

You know, I'm a HUGE fan of DC/Marvel Comics but after being hit by the one-two punch of Infinite Crisis AND Civil War, I realized I was spending way too much on comics (even more than video games!) so I let them go for the most part.  I only started reading comics again in July of last year, picking up collected issues and downloading whatever PSP Comics caught my eye.  I missed both of those, and now that I think about it, I missed Alex Ross's painted issues of the Justice Storyline.  I gotta put Arkham Asylum AND Joker on my list. 

 

Oh, and Final Crisis sucked balls.

I have always, always done my very best to avoid mega events in comics. I think they are dumb and tak awya from individual titles. This is made a lot harder because the writers have been making them in absurd amounts for the past ten years. Every time you turn around it's something else...

You know I've never even read Crisis on Infinite Earths?



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Smeags said:
Khuutra said:
Oh then I guess you would have already read Arham Asylum? Or the new book, Joker? You'll be able to spot it because Joker has a Glasgow smile in it (and this design was made before Ledger's!)

"Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader" by Neil Gaiman is also aces...

Mhm, both Arkham Asylum and Joker are great. I also really (really) enjoyed The Long Halloween and Dark Victory as well. And of course, there's The Killing Joke... but that's without saying.

Long Halloween and Killing Joke= AWESOME!!  I missed out on Dark Victory and that storyline should only cost $14 by now.  I'm geeking out!!!  I better quit and go play Mass Effect 2.  Catch you guys later.



d21lewis said:

Long Halloween and Killing Joke= AWESOME!!  I missed out on Dark Victory and that storyline should only cost $14 by now.  I'm geeking out!!!  I better quit and go play Mass Effect 2.  Catch you guys later.

Wait... you've read (and loved) The Long Halloween yet haven't read Dark Victory?!

Get on it now!

Yeah, Dark Victory is in fact the direct sequel to Halloween, and it continues the battle between the masks and the mobs (with Batman in between the craziness).

Have fun.



Sometimes comics are pretty cool, I figure.



Khuutra said:

I'm glad that The Sentry is dead.

Let me frame that for you.

I love the Sentry as a character and as an idea. I think that the original Sentry miniseries by Paul Jenkins, along with its one-shot tie-ins in th Fanntastic Four, X-Men, Spider-Man, and so on, is probably the best original superhero story I've read in a long time. It's probably the best superhero story I've ever read that isn't called Miracleman or Kingdom Come. That first series is an excellent meditation on optimism in comics, and a beautiful love letter to the stories that made comics wonderful in the Golden and Silver Ages. Robert Reynolds is fantastic in how he differentiates himself from Superman or Miracleman, how he gives up everything in the end to help restore some optimism to the world.

I was never sure what to think about the decision to bring Sentry back in New Avengers. I was pretty sure it could only end poorly.

I'm more satisfied than I thought I would be with the way the Sentry has been handled - even if they mangled bits of his characterization, they sitll held to the idea that getting rid of him was the only way to assert some level of optimism again, and that the only way for the pessimism embodied in the Sentry to go away was for it to choose to go away. That's good. I kind of like that.

The Sentry was killed in Siege #4, a result of making himself open to being murdered. Thor blasted him to smithereens, but that wouldn't have mattere if the Sentry hadn't let go of lif entirely - prior to this he could come back from anything, anything, as if it had never happened. You could have hit him with balefire from the Wheel of Time and ten seconds later he would have come back eaten your skull. That fits the character. It's fine. It was a good death, though the pacing in the issue is pretty awful.

But there was nothing done with this character in the past five years that wasn't done before and better in the initial miniseries by Paul Jenkins. If they had left the character alone as of the end of that series, I think he would have gone down as oen of the classiest and most artful characters Marvel has produced in the past thirty or forty years. Shit, almost fifty, now.

The initial miniseries ended with Robert Reynolds, a drunk with anxiety issues so bad that he could barely go outside, standing in the middle of a crowd with his wife and buying a hotdog. It was an enormous moment for the character, just being outside, and having him do this simple thing was an encapsulation of all of the optimism that the character was supposed to stand for.

In Siege, the final image of Robert Reynolds is a charred skeleton wrapped in Thor's cape being gently released to fall into the Sun. It's an image of death, rather than a life reconsidered and alternatively fulfilled.

I'm glad the Sentry is dead, because it means they can't do anything else to trivialize what initially made him such a powerful concept.

I just wish they had never brought him back at all.

I agree... the original miniseries was cool... but he's been manhandled since he came back.

 

He went from a "Marvel Superman" to like... some weird God/Devil analogue, which I'm pretty sure they actually suggested that's where he taps his powers from... "The one above all"....

 

And since he was "above it all" it removed all tension since... when he was a goodguy he was all powerful and nobody could win!   When he was a badguy... he was all powerful... and nobody could win!

 

They basically had contrive ways to keep sentry away from the story until they needed a big cleanup... it was like Dr. Manhattan but more then once and without any mastermind plan to cause it most of the time.

It was largely him moping or taking weeks to think.  Which granted... kinda fits the character... but was BORING.

 

A character like Sentry really only works in his own little universe that only his books cover.    Otherwise it's like if Superman showed up... today in real life.  With nobody else superpowered.