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I'm glad that The Sentry is dead.

Let me frame that for you.

I love the Sentry as a character and as an idea. I think that the original Sentry miniseries by Paul Jenkins, along with its one-shot tie-ins in th Fanntastic Four, X-Men, Spider-Man, and so on, is probably the best original superhero story I've read in a long time. It's probably the best superhero story I've ever read that isn't called Miracleman or Kingdom Come. That first series is an excellent meditation on optimism in comics, and a beautiful love letter to the stories that made comics wonderful in the Golden and Silver Ages. Robert Reynolds is fantastic in how he differentiates himself from Superman or Miracleman, how he gives up everything in the end to help restore some optimism to the world.

I was never sure what to think about the decision to bring Sentry back in New Avengers. I was pretty sure it could only end poorly.

I'm more satisfied than I thought I would be with the way the Sentry has been handled - even if they mangled bits of his characterization, they sitll held to the idea that getting rid of him was the only way to assert some level of optimism again, and that the only way for the pessimism embodied in the Sentry to go away was for it to choose to go away. That's good. I kind of like that.

The Sentry was killed in Siege #4, a result of making himself open to being murdered. Thor blasted him to smithereens, but that wouldn't have mattere if the Sentry hadn't let go of lif entirely - prior to this he could come back from anything, anything, as if it had never happened. You could have hit him with balefire from the Wheel of Time and ten seconds later he would have come back eaten your skull. That fits the character. It's fine. It was a good death, though the pacing in the issue is pretty awful.

But there was nothing done with this character in the past five years that wasn't done before and better in the initial miniseries by Paul Jenkins. If they had left the character alone as of the end of that series, I think he would have gone down as oen of the classiest and most artful characters Marvel has produced in the past thirty or forty years. Shit, almost fifty, now.

The initial miniseries ended with Robert Reynolds, a drunk with anxiety issues so bad that he could barely go outside, standing in the middle of a crowd with his wife and buying a hotdog. It was an enormous moment for the character, just being outside, and having him do this simple thing was an encapsulation of all of the optimism that the character was supposed to stand for.

In Siege, the final image of Robert Reynolds is a charred skeleton wrapped in Thor's cape being gently released to fall into the Sun. It's an image of death, rather than a life reconsidered and alternatively fulfilled.

I'm glad the Sentry is dead, because it means they can't do anything else to trivialize what initially made him such a powerful concept.

I just wish they had never brought him back at all.



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If I'm not mistaken, the Sentry was "never brought back". He was a publicity stunt in which Marvel pretended to have discovered a forgotten character from the Silver Age and then faked a reboot. Anyway, I liked the Sentry well enough but I always thought he was WAY too powerful to be a hero in the Marvel Universe. I haven't read any of Seige (or Dark Reign, or Secret Invasion, or even the Initiative) but when I saw the Sentry's name in this thread title, I assumed he was dead. He was too powerful to be left alive.



d21lewis said:
If I'm not mistaken, the Sentry was "never brought back". He was a publicity stunt in which Marvel pretended to have discovered a forgotten character from the Silver Age and then faked a reboot. Anyway, I liked the Sentry well enough but I always thought he was WAY too powerful to be a hero in the Marvel Universe. I haven't read any of Seige (or Dark Reign, or Secret Invasion, or even the Initiative) but when I saw the Sentry's name in this thread title, I assumed he was dead. He was too powerful to be left alive.

Well I mean "brought back" for New Avengers, not the original series. I know his origin was a hoax. I just htought that they should have left him as only his little original miniseries.

Yeah, the guy duked it out with Galactus, there's no way he can fit as an actual hero in the Marvel universe.



Not really off topic but: I have a lot of time to read at my job. Lately I've been buying trade paperbacks of older stories ( Onslaught, Batman Year One, Our Worlds at War, and Kick Ass). I've been disappointed time after time (ESPECIALLY BY ULTIMATUM!) by everything except Kick Ass and The Sinestro War. I haven't read Miracle Man yet, so that's going to be my next purchase (you seem to have good taste). Can you recommend me some other major stories that live up to the hype? I can't keep throwing my money away on stories that were over-hyped and under deliver!!



Well if you're grabbing Miracleman - that might be really hard to find, but try to grab the Alan Moore run on it. That stuff is foine.

You didn't like Batman Year One?



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Yeah, the Sentry had pretty much been an attack dog for other Marvel heroes/villains to control.

Hulk on a rampage in New York? Send in the Sentry.

Asgardians overwhelming your forces? Send in the Sentry.

To me he just seemed more like an ace in the hole for others rather than his own person, which was why I never really took him seriously. I mean, heck... even Moonstone (Ms. Marvel) was more interesting than he was.

EDIT: Glad it was Thor who took him down though. After the Void took down Asgard and Loki... there could be only one person who could do the deed.



d21lewis:

http://www.amazon.com/Invincible-Iron-Man-Omnibus-Vol/dp/0785142959/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273865576&sr=8-2

If you like Iron Man at all, this is well worth reading. It involves some of that stuff from Dark Reign, but if you know that Osborn control Shield then you know enough to get through all of this story. Half of it is beefore Dark Reign, half of it is during.

Smeags:

http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-New-Avengers-Paul-Jenkins/dp/0785121242/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273865877&sr=1-1

If you intend to be familiar with the character at all (it's worth it) then this is the collection you need to read.



Khuutra said:
Well if you're grabbing Miracleman - that might be really hard to find, but try to grab the Alan Moore run on it. That stuff is foine.

You didn't like Batman Year One?

I can probably find the trade paperback or a prestige edition.

-as for Batman Year One......The Dark Knight Returns was probably my favorite comic of all time when I got it (Hardcover back in 1997).  It broke new ground for me and really blew me away.  Since then, I kinda burried myself in Batman lore.  I got Year One about two weeks ago and it was pretty good.  I think it would've worked better if I didn't know so much about Batman.  Nothing really happened.  The story was pretty much about Commisioner Gordon moving to Gotham and Bruce Wayne finding his identity.  Groundbreaking stuff in the 80's but I've read so many other stories that stole from this tale (Nightman, Kick Ass) that nothing really stood out.  There wasn't even a memorable villain.  And the Dark Knight movie gave away the Year One ending.  Good story but it didn't blow me away like Frank Miller's first Batman stories.



I'll check that Ironman out. I bought every Ironman story available for the PSP (Daredevil, too!) and they haven't put out a new issue for download in months! I guess I'm going back to paper. Thanks for the recommendation!!



Oh then I guess you would have already read Arham Asylum? Or the new book, Joker? You'll be able to spot it because Joker has a Glasgow smile in it (and this design was made before Ledger's!)

"Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader" by Neil Gaiman is also aces...