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dtewi on 12 May 2010
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

If you revive Rosa first, you can free Kain for the attacking role. It may not cause so much damage as Edge, but you get to keep a safeguard. Plus, I believe there's a Osmose step somewhere in the battle phase when he's only using Big Bang. That should be your opening for any buffing/debuffing. 

Also, when he starts spamming Meteor, he lays off quite a lot from Big Bang as well, and has a tendency to use Osmose more too. Burn through your Elixirs if you must. 

Do you not understand what I've been trying to tell you?

Meteor kills me outright and so does Big Bang!

He uses Meteor right after Big Bang, I think, but I don't know when I can't do one thing about it to even remotely prepare myself.

Black Hole = Defenseless Kain

Big Bang = No way to restore buffs

Meteor = LOL, I'm completely unfair!

That's why I'm saying that ressurecting Rosa is a top priority when you get to the Meteor stage. 

You need Shell, even if he constantly dispels it with Black Hole. And if you can keep Slow up then it's a plus.

He follows a strict battle pattern that you should have figured out now, if you have been dying that much. Make use of the gaps between attacks to prep your strategy. I just don't know what else to tell you, because I've already went with you all that I did on the battle. 

All that I've figured out is he uses Meteor when his HP drops enough.

But the thing is I have no CLUE when that is.

I've told you already a couple of replys back

It's around the 30K HP mark, which is 20% of his total HP 

I have no CLUE when he has 30K HP.

I don't know, everything else in this game has been manageable, but this is just.... for god's sake, he has two moves that can kill my entire party.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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lestatdark on 12 May 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

If you revive Rosa first, you can free Kain for the attacking role. It may not cause so much damage as Edge, but you get to keep a safeguard. Plus, I believe there's a Osmose step somewhere in the battle phase when he's only using Big Bang. That should be your opening for any buffing/debuffing. 

Also, when he starts spamming Meteor, he lays off quite a lot from Big Bang as well, and has a tendency to use Osmose more too. Burn through your Elixirs if you must. 

Do you not understand what I've been trying to tell you?

Meteor kills me outright and so does Big Bang!

He uses Meteor right after Big Bang, I think, but I don't know when I can't do one thing about it to even remotely prepare myself.

Black Hole = Defenseless Kain

Big Bang = No way to restore buffs

Meteor = LOL, I'm completely unfair!

That's why I'm saying that ressurecting Rosa is a top priority when you get to the Meteor stage. 

You need Shell, even if he constantly dispels it with Black Hole. And if you can keep Slow up then it's a plus.

He follows a strict battle pattern that you should have figured out now, if you have been dying that much. Make use of the gaps between attacks to prep your strategy. I just don't know what else to tell you, because I've already went with you all that I did on the battle. 

All that I've figured out is he uses Meteor when his HP drops enough.

But the thing is I have no CLUE when that is.

I've told you already a couple of replys back

It's around the 30K HP mark, which is 20% of his total HP 

I have no CLUE when he has 30K HP.

I don't know, everything else in this game has been manageable, but this is just.... for god's sake, he has two moves that can kill my entire party.

Well, usually for this kind of bosses, I keep a mental check of how much damage I've done to them. 

How much damage do you do per average to him? 



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dtewi on 12 May 2010
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

If you revive Rosa first, you can free Kain for the attacking role. It may not cause so much damage as Edge, but you get to keep a safeguard. Plus, I believe there's a Osmose step somewhere in the battle phase when he's only using Big Bang. That should be your opening for any buffing/debuffing. 

Also, when he starts spamming Meteor, he lays off quite a lot from Big Bang as well, and has a tendency to use Osmose more too. Burn through your Elixirs if you must. 

Do you not understand what I've been trying to tell you?

Meteor kills me outright and so does Big Bang!

He uses Meteor right after Big Bang, I think, but I don't know when I can't do one thing about it to even remotely prepare myself.

Black Hole = Defenseless Kain

Big Bang = No way to restore buffs

Meteor = LOL, I'm completely unfair!

That's why I'm saying that ressurecting Rosa is a top priority when you get to the Meteor stage. 

You need Shell, even if he constantly dispels it with Black Hole. And if you can keep Slow up then it's a plus.

He follows a strict battle pattern that you should have figured out now, if you have been dying that much. Make use of the gaps between attacks to prep your strategy. I just don't know what else to tell you, because I've already went with you all that I did on the battle. 

All that I've figured out is he uses Meteor when his HP drops enough.

But the thing is I have no CLUE when that is.

I've told you already a couple of replys back

It's around the 30K HP mark, which is 20% of his total HP 

I have no CLUE when he has 30K HP.

I don't know, everything else in this game has been manageable, but this is just.... for god's sake, he has two moves that can kill my entire party.

Well, usually for this kind of bosses, I keep a mental check of how much damage I've done to them. 

How much damage do you do per average to him? 

Anywhere from 4500-8786.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

lestatdark on 12 May 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

If you revive Rosa first, you can free Kain for the attacking role. It may not cause so much damage as Edge, but you get to keep a safeguard. Plus, I believe there's a Osmose step somewhere in the battle phase when he's only using Big Bang. That should be your opening for any buffing/debuffing. 

Also, when he starts spamming Meteor, he lays off quite a lot from Big Bang as well, and has a tendency to use Osmose more too. Burn through your Elixirs if you must. 

Do you not understand what I've been trying to tell you?

Meteor kills me outright and so does Big Bang!

He uses Meteor right after Big Bang, I think, but I don't know when I can't do one thing about it to even remotely prepare myself.

Black Hole = Defenseless Kain

Big Bang = No way to restore buffs

Meteor = LOL, I'm completely unfair!

That's why I'm saying that ressurecting Rosa is a top priority when you get to the Meteor stage. 

You need Shell, even if he constantly dispels it with Black Hole. And if you can keep Slow up then it's a plus.

He follows a strict battle pattern that you should have figured out now, if you have been dying that much. Make use of the gaps between attacks to prep your strategy. I just don't know what else to tell you, because I've already went with you all that I did on the battle. 

All that I've figured out is he uses Meteor when his HP drops enough.

But the thing is I have no CLUE when that is.

I've told you already a couple of replys back

It's around the 30K HP mark, which is 20% of his total HP 

I have no CLUE when he has 30K HP.

I don't know, everything else in this game has been manageable, but this is just.... for god's sake, he has two moves that can kill my entire party.

Well, usually for this kind of bosses, I keep a mental check of how much damage I've done to them. 

How much damage do you do per average to him? 

Anywhere from 4500-8786.

So, worst case scenario 27 attacks, best case scenario 14 attacks. 

Factoring an average of 20 attacks, and considering that you'll have at least that same amount of turns for healing/buffing/reviving, you'll probably be hitting the 30K threshold somewhere down the 40th turn mark. 



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dtewi on 12 May 2010

lestatdark said:

So, worst case scenario 27 attacks, best case scenario 14 attacks. 


Factoring an average of 20 attacks, and considering that you'll have at least that same amount of turns for healing/buffing/reviving, you'll probably be hitting the 30K threshold somewhere down the 40th turn mark. 

Look, it varies from anywhere from 28 to 54 turns. You can't just say 40, since Edge's thrown weapons vary and not to mention the miscellaneous attacks that might get in.

Look, I can't keep Shell on Kain due to black hole, I can't tell what Zeromus' HP is, and if it requires MATH or A LOT OF LUCK I stop playing.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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lestatdark on 12 May 2010
dtewi said:

lestatdark said:

So, worst case scenario 27 attacks, best case scenario 14 attacks. 


Factoring an average of 20 attacks, and considering that you'll have at least that same amount of turns for healing/buffing/reviving, you'll probably be hitting the 30K threshold somewhere down the 40th turn mark. 

Look, it varies from anywhere from 28 to 54 turns. You can't just say 40, since Edge's thrown weapons vary and not to mention the miscellaneous attacks that might get in.

Look, I can't keep Shell on Kain due to black hole, I can't tell what Zeromus' HP is, and if it requires MATH or A LOT OF LUCK I stop playing.

The variation of 28 to 54 turns coincides with the 40th turn mark average that I told you. Of course it's never the same, that just gives you a window on how to plan the fight, especially since he follows a strict battle pattern for the fight, which I believe it was something like this:

Black Hole -> Big Bang -> Black Hole -> Osmose -> Big Bang -> Big Bang -> Osmose (until 90K HP)

Osmose -> Big Bang -> Black Hole -> Flare -> Osmose -> Black Hole -> Big Bang (until 30K HP)

Meteor -> Osmose -> Wall (until he dies).

Bear in mind that you can force an additional step counter in any of the phases, as he can counter White magic with Wall and Black Magic with Flare, use that if you need to break any string in order to prepare yourself, like getting Kain up in the air for that double Big Bang. 



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dtewi on 12 May 2010
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:

lestatdark said:

So, worst case scenario 27 attacks, best case scenario 14 attacks. 


Factoring an average of 20 attacks, and considering that you'll have at least that same amount of turns for healing/buffing/reviving, you'll probably be hitting the 30K threshold somewhere down the 40th turn mark. 

Look, it varies from anywhere from 28 to 54 turns. You can't just say 40, since Edge's thrown weapons vary and not to mention the miscellaneous attacks that might get in.

Look, I can't keep Shell on Kain due to black hole, I can't tell what Zeromus' HP is, and if it requires MATH or A LOT OF LUCK I stop playing.

The variation of 28 to 54 turns coincides with the 40th turn mark average that I told you. Of co urse it's never the same, that just gives you a window on how to plan the fight, especially since he follows a strict battle pattern for the fight, which I believe it was something like this:

Black Hole -> Big Bang -> Black Hole -> Osmose -> Big Bang -> Big Bang -> Osmose (until 90K HP)

Osmose -> Big Bang -> Black Hole -> Flare -> Osmose -> Black Hole -> Big Bang (until 30K HP)

Meteor -> Osmose -> Wall (until he dies).

Bear in mind that you can force an additional step counter in any of the phases, as he can counter White magic with Wall and Black Magic with Flare, use that if you need to break any string in order to prepare yourself, like getting Kain up in the air for that double Big Bang. 

....look, that's why this battle is stupid.

It shouldn't become a science to fight this guy.

And I don't even think it goes like that, I think he has four phases and is able to HEAL himself for MASSIVE amounts before the Meteor phase.

His combination of attacks is just so hair-pullingly frustrating. I could buff during this phase, but then this attack after this one causes him to negate that, but you can't do it after attacking again, because then he has a 75% chance of healing and you MUST buff because he attacks after that however you must do it before then attack immediate- GAH!



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

lestatdark on 12 May 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:

lestatdark said:

So, worst case scenario 27 attacks, best case scenario 14 attacks. 


Factoring an average of 20 attacks, and considering that you'll have at least that same amount of turns for healing/buffing/reviving, you'll probably be hitting the 30K threshold somewhere down the 40th turn mark. 

Look, it varies from anywhere from 28 to 54 turns. You can't just say 40, since Edge's thrown weapons vary and not to mention the miscellaneous attacks that might get in.

Look, I can't keep Shell on Kain due to black hole, I can't tell what Zeromus' HP is, and if it requires MATH or A LOT OF LUCK I stop playing.

The variation of 28 to 54 turns coincides with the 40th turn mark average that I told you. Of co urse it's never the same, that just gives you a window on how to plan the fight, especially since he follows a strict battle pattern for the fight, which I believe it was something like this:

Black Hole -> Big Bang -> Black Hole -> Osmose -> Big Bang -> Big Bang -> Osmose (until 90K HP)

Osmose -> Big Bang -> Black Hole -> Flare -> Osmose -> Black Hole -> Big Bang (until 30K HP)

Meteor -> Osmose -> Wall (until he dies).

Bear in mind that you can force an additional step counter in any of the phases, as he can counter White magic with Wall and Black Magic with Flare, use that if you need to break any string in order to prepare yourself, like getting Kain up in the air for that double Big Bang. 

....look, that's why this battle is stupid.

It shouldn't become a science to fight this guy.

And I don't even think it goes like that, I think he has four phases and is able to HEAL himself for MASSIVE amounts before the Meteor phase.

His combination of attacks is just so hair-pullingly frustrating. I could buff during this phase, but then this attack after this one causes him to negate that, but you can't do it after attacking again, because then he has a 75% chance of healing and you MUST buff because he attacks after that however you must do it before then attack immediate- GAH!

That's not science.

Science is trying to memorize, in FFXII, all of Omega's MK. II 7 battle steps throughout his 1 M HP bar and when to time the Curajas in order to heal between his 5000-7000 attack gaps, while getting Bubble, Haste, Hastega, Shellga and Protetcga on all the time. And doing all that without using Gambits or the Decoy/Reverse strategy. 

Now, back to Zeromus. He doesn't have an Heal attack. Probably what you just saw was a reflected Flare back at him. This is the major change from the SNES FF's, since Flare used to damage him and now heals him. 



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thelifatree on 12 May 2010

wait does ds have gameshark?

GAMESHARK :D



RageBot on 13 May 2010

LOL @ pepole complaining about difficulty in FF games.

You guys should pkay some SMT:Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga (1+2, 2 on hard) to realize what are difficult JRPGs :P



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