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UK General Election, Election Day and Results Thread

New Labour - Gordon Brown 9 17.65%
 
Conservatives - David Cameron 15 29.41%
 
Liberal Democrats - Nick Clegg 21 41.18%
 
UKIP - Lord Pearson 3 5.88%
 
Green Party - Caroline Lucas 0 0%
 
Others (National Parties,... 3 5.88%
 
Total:51
Kantor said:
zuvuyeay said:
if labour wanted to reform the voting system,they just had 13 years to do it

we all know its about keeping power,obviously,but i don't see how it helps labour in the long run otherwise they would of already done it

why is brown still at No 10,let him go and challenge salmon for scottish PM,which he'd lose probably

Like you said, it won't help Labour. It'll hurt them the most. But Gordon is desperate- he knows he's going to be out of power soon anyway, and he's doing everything he can to keep it for a few months (he'll lose it at the next election, of course).

He might actually beat Salmond for the position of First Minister of Scotland. Labour destroyed the SNP in Scotland- mostly thanks to the fact that their entire Cabinet is Scottish.


yes i mean't scotland as a separate country really,

labour would barely win a seat if it was just about scotland,they only vote labour to stop england being consevative

which shows how stupid it is

all i hear is look at scotland,they have this and that in their parliament,look at wales,NI,then britain and westminster...etc

where is england,does it exist or have we vanished

 



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What is clear is LABOUR lost.

I think the likely outcome is that the torries will agree to have a electoral reform committee who will make a formal report, then decide there on whether to have a referendum or not.



The Lib Dems are being clever to drop those policies that could stand between them and a Conservative-led coalition. Mainly Trident and insistence on electoral reform.

The Conservatives have basically said they'll implement everything in their own manifesto and everything they agree on between the Con and Liberal ones. Which translates as near zero concessions. Maybe a few token ministers.

What the Liberals want, more than any single policy, is legitimacy in the national conscience - that would win them votes. Looking strong within a coalition government would do that.

(I voted Conservative by the way)



Kantor said:
Pyro as Bill said:
@ kowenicki

I'm starting to think a Lib/Lab coalition might be a good idea. Mervyn King said the next government won't see power for a generation after the cuts are made. Let Lib/Lab bring in the cuts, and watch as the nation turns against the pair of them.

Hell, no. Let them get into power, and the self-serving Lib Dems and spineless toad Mr. Brown will introduce PR. Then we can say goodbye to any Conservative government for a very long time. The last time one party got 50% of the popular vote in an election was 1935. It was the Conservatives, yes, but I very much doubt they'll be able to repeat it.

I mean, I'm all for some sort of electoral reform, but proportional representation is even more flawed than our current system. No, it doesn't "represent the people". Firstly, 23% of Britain just voted for it. That means 77% voted against it. Secondly, say 23% vote Lib Dem and 26% vote Labour. Nobody has voted for a Lib Lab coalition. And Gordon being aforementioned spineless toad, he'll do whatever Clegg (Clegg, with 57 seats) wants to get that coalition. That means 23% of the British electorate has got its way. 23%. The Conservatives are a lot more likely to actually stand up to Clegg and say "No, we're in power, we'll give you some decisions, but we are still the ruling party", rather than clinging on to the nice big house and £200,000 salary which doesn't belong to them.

 

No you're dead wrong. 77% didn't vote against PR, they voted for other things. This wasn't a referendum on PR and obviously other issues were more important to some people. There's no way to tell how many of that 23% actually voted for the lib dems because of PR either.



kowenicki said:

I think this sums it up quite well...

But he (CLEGG) said that his party would be pursuing the four priorities identified in their manifesto: fairer taxes, help for disadvantaged schoolchildren, a green economy and "fundamental political reform".

Mr Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said the Lib Dems' long-time demand for the replacement of the first-past-the-post voting system in Westminster elections should not form a stumbling block to the creation of a stable government.

Tories had won the right to see "the larger part of our manifesto" implemented after winning more seats and votes than any other party, in a campaign in which they opposed proportional representation, said Dr Fox.

"It would seem to me very strange in an election that was dominated by the economy...if the government of the UK was held to ransom over an issue that the voters did not see as their priority," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"I don't think that it's reasonable, given the result of the election, where we did come clearly ahead of any other party, that an agenda would be applied that was very much against what a very large proportion voted for."

But surely the most the lib dems will be offered is a referendum on PR? So the public will decide on it directly. It's not like they'll form a government and immediately force it on the public.

Also, I think you asked earlier about which MPs would be elected in a PR system. We (Ireland) use the single transferable vote system of PR so you're still voting for individual candidates in specific constituencies. I think you were assuming it would be a party list based vote, but there are other ways of doing it.



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kowenicki said:

I think this sums it up quite well...

But he (CLEGG) said that his party would be pursuing the four priorities identified in their manifesto: fairer taxes, help for disadvantaged schoolchildren, a green economy and "fundamental political reform".

Mr Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said the Lib Dems' long-time demand for the replacement of the first-past-the-post voting system in Westminster elections should not form a stumbling block to the creation of a stable government.

Tories had won the right to see "the larger part of our manifesto" implemented after winning more seats and votes than any other party, in a campaign in which they opposed proportional representation, said Dr Fox.

"It would seem to me very strange in an election that was dominated by the economy...if the government of the UK was held to ransom over an issue that the voters did not see as their priority," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"I don't think that it's reasonable, given the result of the election, where we did come clearly ahead of any other party, that an agenda would be applied that was very much against what a very large proportion voted for."

Perhaps they could come up with some middle-ground electoral system. From the wordings of that statement, it appears that the Conservatives only opposed proportional representation. A system like AMS is a good in-between which is both more proportional and keeps constituency links, and the Lib Dems would be happier with that than nothing. What's more, Labour already passed a bill on holding a referendum for AMS - Conservatives don't have to follow this bill, but it is already in the pipeline.

On another side that may keep the Tories and the Lib Dems more co-operative is devolution. Conservatives typically oppose devolution bills, but I think they now realise that further devolved powers, particularly in England, will actually increase their power within the UK as a whole. These kinds of concessions on devolution bills may see Lib-Dems less willing to push electoral or other forms of Westminster (elected upper-chamber, royal prerogative, that kind of thing) reform.

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What's with all this uproar from the LibLab-pact crowd about the Conservatives not having the mandate to form a Government? Conservatives achieved 36.1% of the popular vote, last election Labour achieved 35.6%, and the turnout was roughly 4% greater this time. In short, more people voted for Conservatives in 2010 than did Labour in 2005. The fact that the Conservatives achieved fewer relative seats would mean that their support was more evenly spread througout the country than Labour's - perhaps supporting their case for mandate of the UK.

Just some food for thought.



SamuelRSmith said:
kowenicki said:

I think this sums it up quite well...

But he (CLEGG) said that his party would be pursuing the four priorities identified in their manifesto: fairer taxes, help for disadvantaged schoolchildren, a green economy and "fundamental political reform".

Mr Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said the Lib Dems' long-time demand for the replacement of the first-past-the-post voting system in Westminster elections should not form a stumbling block to the creation of a stable government.

Tories had won the right to see "the larger part of our manifesto" implemented after winning more seats and votes than any other party, in a campaign in which they opposed proportional representation, said Dr Fox.

"It would seem to me very strange in an election that was dominated by the economy...if the government of the UK was held to ransom over an issue that the voters did not see as their priority," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"I don't think that it's reasonable, given the result of the election, where we did come clearly ahead of any other party, that an agenda would be applied that was very much against what a very large proportion voted for."

Perhaps they could come up with some middle-ground electoral system. From the wordings of that statement, it appears that the Conservatives only opposed proportional representation. A system like AMS is a good in-between which is both more proportional and keeps constituency links, and the Lib Dems would be happier with that than nothing. What's more, Labour already passed a bill on holding a referendum for AMS - Conservatives don't have to follow this bill, but it is already in the pipeline.

On another side that may keep the Tories and the Lib Dems more co-operative is devolution. Conservatives typically oppose devolution bills, but I think they now realise that further devolved powers, particularly in England, will actually increase their power within the UK as a whole. These kinds of concessions on devolution bills may see Lib-Dems less willing to push electoral or other forms of Westminster (elected upper-chamber, royal prerogative, that kind of thing) reform.

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What's with all this uproar from the LibLab-pact crowd about the Conservatives not having the mandate to form a Government? Conservatives achieved 36.1% of the popular vote, last election Labour achieved 35.6%, and the turnout was roughly 4% greater this time. In short, more people voted for Conservatives in 2010 than did Labour in 2005. The fact that the Conservatives achieved fewer relative seats would mean that their support was more evenly spread througout the country than Labour's - perhaps supporting their case for mandate of the UK.

Just some food for thought.

Samuel, that would still be minority government, in 2005 Labour successfully achieved their majority with a 32 seats surplus.  The Tories have not done this, they are don't want electoral reform, therefore cannot expect a minority government to be met with open arms.



What would still be a minority Government?



One with less than 50% of seats in parliament is a minority government.



Yeah, thanks for that. I meant "what" would still be a minority Government? Nothing in my post had anything about changing from a minority to a majority Government.