-Super Smash Bros Brawl
-Virtua Fighter 5
-Tekken 5 dark resurrection online (PSN) and SoulCalibur4 on par.

I didn't ignore your previous post, in fact GTA4 has life bar and one on one fights so its a fighter...

Brawl is a multi player beat em up, not a fighter. You can make it into "fighter" if you really want, but you can do that with a lot of games, including GTA4.

In GTA4, the goal of the game is NOT to win a fight. There is no win or loss screen and there are no win/loss statistics like any other fighter has. You analogy is extremely flawed, and honestly, I think you're just trying to stir things up.

Why do i even bother... There is online vs in GTA 4, so if you wan't you can just fight with your hands and woohoo victory screen for the winner. You can even make it so there is only melee weapons available.

You ignore 99% of the game and talk about 1% to make a point, that's why it's flawed.

Let me ask you a question: is there any tournament scene regarding GTA4's fighting mini-game?

There is a tourament scene in just about any game not just fighting games. Now im not sure that there is one in GTA4, but just because a game has a tourament scene doesn't make it a fighter. Star Craft alone has a bigger tourament scene than every fighter combined.

I'm not talking about GTA4 I'm talking about GTA4's fighting mini-game.

My point is, you can't just pick a tiny portion of a game and call it genre X. Brawl has an entire tourney scene dedicated to FIGHTING. No party brawling, no items whatsoever.

You can't deny that Brawl is a fighter when millions of people play the game intensively as a fighter, just because you can also play it like a party brawler.

My point with this whole rant was that, you can make brawl into a "fighter" but it isn't that at its very core, it is a multi player beat em up. You can also make a lot of games into a "fighter" if you really want, like GTA4, now its no where as fun as brawl. But i still made my point and therefore i refuse to call it a fighter.

Then I refuse to call GTA4 a sandbox game because I only play the fighting mini-game, I refuse to call Halo 3 a shooter because I only use the melee attacks and I refuse to call Gran Turismo a racing game because I only fap to the car models.

MKVSDC, only one I've played!