Like heterosexual couples, don't gay couples wish to adopt babys? Arn't older children in orphanages usually psichologically damaged?

(1) Ah, we're getting into different schools of thoughts, NONE of which have been proven yet. To start with, it' the whole "nature vs. nurture" bit. Is it true that being gay is genetic? Maybe, but if so, we've yet to isolate the "gay gene" or pattern of genes. Is it how you are raised? Maybe, but if so, we've yet to find the pattern of actions to cause this. Straight couples have risen gay children, and gay couples, straight children, all the way down to a gay sperm donor in a lesbian creating a straight child. (This is also why I say it can't be a single gene- dominant/recessive is not displayable in this crossing.) My personal thought is a crossing of the 2- certain gene patterns make you more susceptable to being gay, and able to pick up on more things to affect their sexuality.

(2) For those people, regardless of what they say, their sexuality is not changing. They're merely confused about their own, or they may be frustrated with their luck with the opposite sex, in your example. That person, say they're a male, is not having any luck with women. So he decides to be "gay", and look for another guy. But after a week or 2, he doesn't lilke limiting himself to just guys, so he "becomes" bisexual. But a few more weeks pass, and he decides that he really can't be with a guy, so he "reverts" to being straight. Was he ever truely not straight? No, he was confused, and seeing if maybe he was wrong. I'll use an example of me- for 18 years, I considered myself straight; I had one girlfriend, and that was incredibly one-sided. (I had no feelings for her.) When I got to college, I was on an all-male dorm floor, not by my choice at the time. But I started seeing guys in... minimal clothing, and was getting turned on. Of course, the internet was around, and I found myself able to get off to pics of naked guys. So I considered myself bisexual at this point. As more time went on, I noticed that I wasn't using women to get turned on, even when I was younger. It was the sheer horniness of the teen years that was helping me then. I kept going to looking at guys. It took me a bit longer to finally accept that I was gay. Does that mean I wasn't gay when I considered myself straight? No, I actually was; I can see the signs in retrospect going to when I was 14. I was confused then, but I did have a sexuality, even if it wasn't what I said it was at the time.

(3) As for what "god" thinks, that's not something everyone believes. I'll say flat out- I don't care. I'm not going to go into my personal religious beliefs again, since they're fairly well-known. However, to humor your point-of-view, it might not have been pleasurable back then; IIRC, it was supposed to be a "punishment" for Eve eating that apple. But humans evolve. (Evolution is a known and proven fact, regardless of one's beliefs, so it makes a valid proof.) What's to say that in those thousands of years, we didn't change slightly in our nerves to make it pleasurable? From a pure carnal stance, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who says it doesn't feel good today. As expected, there will be a few exceptions to the rule, but they will be that- exceptions. Some poor people even consider sex to be a "cheap" activity, not thinking about the child that may result- that's a different problem for a different thread, though.

(4) Ever hear of something called birth defects? People have been born with 1 leg before. People have been born with a slew of abnormalities, sure, by definition, it's not "normal", but it's far from impossible. Want a really good case? A man and a woman are a couple, but they've had 4 kids, all girls. Wondering why, they ran tests, and it turns out that the guy was a mutation- his own Y gene was recessive, always passing on the X. So any child he had would be female. And one can control the gender even with the splicing of genes of 2 women- both women, under normal circumstances, will be XX, and thus, can only pass on an X and an X, creating another woman. (I could start getting into XXX women and XXY males, but that starts to get complicated, not to mention is another "defect".)

(5) Wait, what? Zexen already mentioned part of this- there are more gays, but there are also more straights, and it's even thought of still being in the same proportions as theorized in the past. So why are you perceiving more? Well, I'll agree with Zexen here- there's less global fears of persecution in many countries. People are seeing more and more people coming out, and being fine. So they feel more comfortable talking about who they are, and come out, thus perpetuating more people coming out. Some theorists have said that as much as 10% of the population is gay or bisexual. But there are people who aren't out. It'd be a wonderful day when the saying "in the closet" dies, but that's never going to happen, not as long as some religions keep their hateful views. And what has science proven on this aspect?? I also don't understand what you don't believe, it's rather disjointed there...

(6) (Running out of colors here...) Yes, by natural means, it takes 2 people of different genders to make a child. But even that's not fool-proof; going back to the defects, some people are born sterile. What is their purpose, then? Being together, whether it be 2 different genders, or 2 of the same gender, should not first be about procreation. It should be about love. If said love results in a wanted child, so be it. If for any reason (homosexuality, sterility, etc), a wanted child can not be had, there are (or rather, should be) other options for the couple. As for it taking a while until we see the end of a "need" to a "traditional" coupling for a child, I disagree. I think we'll see successful uniting of 2 different female genes to make a new female child, and this will be in my lifetime. It won't happen first in the US due to our puritanical views *grumbles angrily*, but it will happen somewhere. And once this starts happening, I think it will also better start exploring the nature vs nurture argument again, about what really makes someone gay.

EDIT: Where are my colors? I'll add numbers...

I know it because i SEE people becoming gay when they KNOW they are not, but that is for another topic. What i mean't by gays are growing, is that now gays are more accepted into society then back then, so now more become open, and since more become open, more join their cause, even people that are straight decide to become gay. There are towns of gay people now, i am not saying its wrong, rather to back up my growing argument.

No it is not like that a human cannot have kids, but if everyone decided not to have kids, there would be a big ass problem. The way i am going with this, is that God did not want this (the point of the thread). God intended for humans to grow to and give birth. That is why he did not want gays to happen. That what i believe anyways. Back then, people could not just donate sperm. 

1. Very true

2.Very true, most are confused. But that is only because gays are now more accepted and they see that as an option. 

3.Very true. But those who think it is cheap sex, that is what God wanted to avoid. Or so i believe.

4.Yes there can be defects, but its impossible for everyone to have a leg defect. And either way, if everyone in the world had a leg defect, it would not be comparable to if everyone being gay.

5.Yes, there are more because they are more accepted. But by growing i mean that more and more people are becoming confused and deciding to switch. I simply believe God wanted to avoid this.

6.Thats an interesting prediction. If it comes true, then my opinion on gays will change.

Royal College of Psychiatrists;

"Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice."


APA;

"Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual — including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents’ sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents eventually grow up to be heterosexual."

AAP;

"Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences. In recent decades, biologically based theories have been favored by experts. Although there continues to be controversy and uncertainty as to the genesis of the variety of human sexual orientations, there is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation. Current knowledge suggests that sexual orientation is usually established during early childhood."


People don't choose to be gay, that is now almost entirely accepted in the fields that study sexuality.

OFF TOPIC:

Please stop with the colors, it makes it very difficult for me to read.

But that's the whole point. If you think that being confused equals being gay, then you're deluding yourself. You're are BORN with your sexual orientation and no matter what you do you cannot change it, if one is insecure about it and then checks if he's atracted to men to see if he can fins himself just to find out he's not, I don't see that wrong, it's good to try to find who we really are, that doesn't change that if you're born gay you're gay, if you're born straight you're straight and if you're born bi you're bi.

Why would everyone decide to not have kids? I still don't undestand what you want to imply with that. You're still putting an impossible situation...and even more, one that has no bearing on homosexuality or heterosexuality

The bolded statement is so borderline homophobic that's disgusting, I don't even know how can you post that. Besides, if your god didn't want gays to happen, then why did we let us happen? I mean, why was I born then? He obviously wanted me to happen, since you put it that way

In my experience the problem with religion is that it's a bunch of people devoting their lives to believing what a random group of people decided to write in a book.

Keep in mind I haven't had experience with many religions...

He did not want it to happen, not me, i am not God. Make sure to remember that. My point is that he did not want it to happen, because back then, he saw it as wrong and as a danger to humans on earth. I myself do not believe the bible to word, i believe that God is imperfect, and can make mistakes. So i tolerate gays and their doings, i am no homophobe, gays are human beings, and i would never mistreat one for their love life.

I simply believe that gays should see how they are changing the world, and how they affect so many people. People that change from straight to gay in days. And its wrong, just because someone is confused or stressed about their lives, does not mean they should switch thier orientation just because they think it will make everything better.

I am saying the no kids thing because if everyone was gay from the start of mankind (what God feared), no one would have kids. Yes, i know its impossible. And there is no way to turn back, so i believe humankind should change and co-exist with the gays. And i do believe that people are born gay. But it is not an experiment anymore, people really believe they are gay if they simply like being kissed by the same sex (even if they like being kissed by the opposite sex). I also believe God has promised himself that he would not interfere with us. That is the best thing about my God, he gives us the freedom. And that includes evolution of humans and birth defects, deaths, and other bad/good things that can happen. Look, the point of this was why the religions hate gays and i gave my answer and my opinion.

I understand how you may get angered or disgusted, but please try not to be, because we both know, that no matter what we say or do, it wont change eachothers minds =l

@Bolded:  I must admit that I find this statement to be a bit bizarre. If you believe that God exists, but is not perfect, then is He worth worshipping? Is He worth following? Is He worth trusting? How can you know if/when He has your best interests at heart?

I feel that it's got to be all or nothing. Either there is a God and He is perfect in every way, or there isn't one at all.