You can't honestly say that a couple of scotch soaked stooges made these overnight.
People need to get over crop circles. We sent radiowaves, so they reply in corn? We are advanced enough to send out coded messages through waves in outer space and they reply by smashing some corn in the country side? Not only is that incosiderate to the farmers, it also seems like some sort of condoscending joke. Like me sending messages to hillbillies by means of beer bottles because thats the only way those damn morons will read it.
Why not just send back a radiotransmission? That would be a hell of alot easier and people might actually pay attention, or better yet just show up, hand us a damn letter. That would get some attention. But no, it's squiggly lines that are supposed to be "DNA", random cool looking designs that are supposed to be molecules that can't be deciphered but "are very important" according to that guy, and then coded ASCII text. I mean what the fuck? If you're going to send ASCII text, just leave the damn text. If intelligent life wanted to contact us, they wouldn't be mysterious elaborate idiots about it. That just reeks of smart computer nerds in the country side with a bunch of friends. Arguing from the point of incredulity doesn't work when what you're suggesting is far more ridiculous than organized nerds with a sense of humor creating designs in corn over night. No it wasn't a flash mob, it was corn loving aliens telling us that lying is bad, and showing us the cool doodles they put on their trapper keepers in space school....I mean 3 dimensional molecule diagrams.
Who would've heard the transmission? Not you, not me or anyone else reading this thread. The only people who are capable, most likely, would have kept it a secret.
How better to get the word out to as many people as possible? (Billboard) They may have taken into consideration that our various governments are already compromised. It could also serve as a demonstration of what they're capable of.
Tell me how a flash mob of nerds are going to replicate these characteristics - while avoiding abrasion marks on the stems:
1. Enlarged (both laterally and longitudinally) plant stem nodes -- Node elongation (stretching) was a permanent effect related to the formation energies, and this is the parameter now used.
2. Marked bending of the plant stem nodes which occurs at the 1st node and 2nd nodes beneath the seed-head, or even the 3rd and/or 4th nodes down the plant stem.
3. Expulsion cavities -- holes blown out at the plant stem nodes -- usually found in the 2nd node beneath the seed-head.
4. Stunted, malformed seeds and germination effects. There are four basic changes to the seeds and germination capability in crop circle plants documented so far. These radically different reproductive effects depend upon the species of crop involved, the growth phase of the plants at the time the crop circle occurs, and the composition and intensity level of the energy system involved (which appears to differ from event to event):
a. Plant will continue to develop normally but seed development ceases when the circle is formed prior to development of the seed in the plant.
b. Seeds will be visually smaller, will weigh less and will exhibit repressed germination when the crop circles occur at a slightly later growth stage
c. Seeds will be visually stunted and will weigh less than normal when crop circles occur in more mature plants, where the embryo is fully formed or nearly so.
d. Seeds exhibit a massive increase in growth rate when crop circles occur in mature plants with fully formed seeds. These seedlings can tolerate extreme stress (lack of water and/or light) for considerable periods of time without apparent harm.
5. Tiny spheres of unusually pure iron are regularly found in soils from crop circle sites. These may be clusters of very small, perfectly spherical, magnetic particles.
Human nature proves that your explanation is far more absurd than what I assert. If any one those were man-made, AT LEAST ONE person involved in that (if not the ringleader him/herself) would have come forward to brag about it. Anyone capable of organizing and executing such a thing would probably be as conceited as they are gifted.
What's your source on all of that?
And there are tons and tons of hobbyists that scan for radio broadcasts, not just the government. If they are so high tech, signs in corn is about the most bass akwards way of trying to communicate. Do they not have skeptics on whatever planet they are from?
Those are all points covered on several documentaries broadcast by the History Channel. I did a Google search and grabbed the info off of the first page that had it all laid out. Do a little research instead of dismissing it offhand.
I can only speculate as to why they chose their method. I started in the previous post.
Maybe we don't posess the technology capable of receiving a radio broadcast from them in a timely manner. They could be hundreds, if not thousands of light years away. How long would it take for a radio broadcast to travel those distances? What if THEY have the (hyperdimensional?) technology to receive OUR broadcasts in realtime yet it would take the light of their sun thousands of years to reach us? There is SO MUCH that we still don't know!
There is also the possibility that it is a message from the future sent by the survivors (of whatever) in a vain attempt to warn us in the past. It would make sense that they would use the "Billboard" method because they already know that the "powers that be" have already been seduced.
Say what you will about their methods, it got YOUR attention. (after a fashion )
bimmylee said: You show me the aliens. Then I'll believe.
You show me God then i'll believe you.
Aliens would exist within the universe. God would exist without.
Big difference.
Except for aliens that possibly live outside this universe.
I guess that makes God an alien.
You do know that if you do believe aliens live outside of this universe you've just successfully backed yourself into a corner.
It would be amusing if crop circles were the gravity manipulation of extradimensional aliens.
Not that there is even remotley any evidence to support extradimensional aliens. Outside of Quantum Physics which is so not understood it's used as a catch all for everything we don't understand.
bimmylee said: You show me the aliens. Then I'll believe.
You show me God then i'll believe you.
Aliens would exist within the universe. God would exist without.
Big difference.
Except for aliens that possibly live outside this universe.
I guess that makes God an alien.
You do know that if you do believe aliens live outside of this universe you've just successfully backed yourself into a corner.
It would be amusing if crop circles were the gravity manipulation of extradimensional aliens.
Not that there is even remotley any evidence to support extradimensional aliens. Outside of Quantum Physics which is so not understood it's used as a catch all for everything we don't understand.
Not that I have much knowledge on the issue, but I guess that there are possibilities of universes existing outside of this universe, or atleast what we define as this universe. Its pure speculation. For the record, when I say this universe I mean all the mass and energy associated with what we call the Big Bang, so other universes may have come into form by other means and have different laws.
I do think that aliens existing elsewhere in our universe is well-founded argument, based on our understanding of physics and chemistry.
bimmylee said: You show me the aliens. Then I'll believe.
You show me God then i'll believe you.
Aliens would exist within the universe. God would exist without.
Big difference.
Except for aliens that possibly live outside this universe.
I guess that makes God an alien.
You do know that if you do believe aliens live outside of this universe you've just successfully backed yourself into a corner.
It would be amusing if crop circles were the gravity manipulation of extradimensional aliens.
Not that there is even remotley any evidence to support extradimensional aliens. Outside of Quantum Physics which is so not understood it's used as a catch all for everything we don't understand.
Not that I have much knowledge on the issue, but I guess that there are possibilities of universes existing outside of this universe, or atleast what we define as this universe. Its pure speculation. For the record, when I say this universe I mean all the mass and energy associated with what we call the Big Bang, so other universes may have come into form by other means and have different laws.
I do think that aliens existing elsewhere in our universe is well-founded argument, based on our understanding of physics and chemistry.
Oh, I agree. It's just the way you phrased your question implies you believe in other universes. Which would be undetectable by our means, and which we may never be able to detect.
The first prokaryotes formed ~ 3.5 billion years ago.
Also, some people when hearing the term "ideal living conditions" seem to think that it means that earth was this temperature and oxygen levels were equil to those today, which is not true.
Early earth had
Really high temperatures
No oxygen, the only gasses were N2, CO2, H20, CO, and CH.
Leathal (to humans) amounts of UV light.
Organisms are responsible to the oxygen on earth.
That being said, I believe that many planets are similar to what earth was, so I will have to say that most likely aliens exist.
I voted maybe, largely because as far as I know we have little evidence that Aliens exist at this point in time.
However intellectually I think its more then likely that aliens exist then them not existing because we exist. We prove that life can exist and within the near infitine universe I'm sure alien life probably exists on some level somewhere.
I doubt any form of intelligent life thats smart enough to travel billions of light years to Earth give a rats ASS about humans.
When asking this question, there are two possibities:
The universe is infinitely big so that means there's an infinite chance that conditions for life exist and for that spark to happen. Taking that into account, even if that chance for the spark of life to happen is small, it's still likely to happen eventually.
The universe is infinitely big and if we're the only life then something made us unique so that it cannot happen anywhere else.
When looking at those, #1 seems much more likely than #2.
Our Universe is finite, not infinite. Unimaginably large I grant you, but still finite. Sorry.
blah, whatever, poor choice of words. You know what I mean. :-p
Though I'm pretty sure space is infinite, it's just the extents of the space created by our big bang is finite. There's nothing that says there couldn't have been another big bang elsewhere that we just can't see.
Oh yeah, of course there is more than just our Universe. I would imagine that our universe is one amongst an immeasurable amount of other Universes existing across a vast membrane. I don't think infinite space isn't something I would subscribe to though.
I was under the impression that it is currently believed there is nothing outside of our universe. That is space is expanding into literally non-existance.
That it would be impossible to expand into another universe simply due to the fact that everything around us is literally non-existance.
It seems far fetched as of yet to even suggest their are other universes as of yet. Afterall there is no way to currently measure this.
Talk of other universes isn't scientific. It's philosophical.
People talk of quantum mechanics being a reason there may be other universes... people also talk about quantum mechanics as being why people have "free will". Or really quantum mechanics would make it "random will" more then free.
Quantum Mechanics are currently a catch all we don't know enough about and are used for every random theory someone has.
Why is it believed there is nothing outside our universe? If space has something to expand to, then there must be the possibility that there's something there.
Just like with what makes our planet unique, what made our big bang unique?
It would be like thinking that the only life in the ocean is the life living near the shore. And then not having the means to go further than a few feet.
We don't know. We can't prove there is life but we can't prove otherwise.
There are scientists and such trying to answer this question. I don't think VGChartz is going to give us definite proof. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if Highwaystar posts a link to a site with indisputable proof. He does that kind of stuff all the time.
bimmylee said: You show me the aliens. Then I'll believe.
You show me God then i'll believe you.
Aliens would exist within the universe. God would exist without.
Big difference.
they are both things which we have no scientific evidence for.why believe in one but not the other?
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"England expects that everyman will do his duty"
"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"
Sure they do exist, but they are approxmately 3 trillion light years away.
Didn't they already find some kind of bacteria on the Mars?
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What if THEY have the (hyperdimensional?) technology to receive OUR broadcasts in realtime yet it would take the light of their sun thousands of years to reach us? There is SO MUCH that we still don't know!
