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Wyrdness on 23 April 2010
archbrix said:

I agree with Galaxy being fine on the Wii, and that "more power doesn't mean better".  What I was disagreeing with was that "Galaxy would not be enhanced and would be exactly the same on PS3".

 

First off, I'm not talking about controls or whether Nintendo's decision going with Wii tech vs HD tech was good or bad; that's a totally different topic... I for one like the Wii a lot.  I'm only talking if Nintendo had a console equivalent to PS3 in power.  Your comparison to NMH makes me think you're referring to some touched-up port of Galaxy with iffy controls to PS3.  I'm talking about a ground-up game of Mario with that much power to work with.  More power doesn't mean better, but what you're implying is that it wouldn't, or even couldn't be better.  You're underestimating Nintendo's abilities and imagination.  If the Wii had PS3 tech under the hood, a company like Nintendo would not limit themselves; why would they?

 

 

I still don't buy the argument because simply put not one person here who has put it forward has come up with an idea on how it would improve the game other then graphics, f**k the whole DLC, online malarky that one person was spewing earlier because the Wii can do those anyway all I'm hearing is "imagine what they could do" well guess what imagine what devs could do if the PS3 and 360 were as powerful as top tier gaming rig PCs. It just doesn't fly as an argument, until someone can come up with some valid enhancements a part from playing in 1080/720p I stand by my point that Galaxy would be the same game only in higher resolution much like 90% of the games today are HD versions of their last gen counterparts.



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archbrix on 23 April 2010
Wyrdness said:
archbrix said:

I agree with Galaxy being fine on the Wii, and that "more power doesn't mean better".  What I was disagreeing with was that "Galaxy would not be enhanced and would be exactly the same on PS3".

 

First off, I'm not talking about controls or whether Nintendo's decision going with Wii tech vs HD tech was good or bad; that's a totally different topic... I for one like the Wii a lot.  I'm only talking if Nintendo had a console equivalent to PS3 in power.  Your comparison to NMH makes me think you're referring to some touched-up port of Galaxy with iffy controls to PS3.  I'm talking about a ground-up game of Mario with that much power to work with.  More power doesn't mean better, but what you're implying is that it wouldn't, or even couldn't be better.  You're underestimating Nintendo's abilities and imagination.  If the Wii had PS3 tech under the hood, a company like Nintendo would not limit themselves; why would they?

 

 

I still don't buy the argument because simply put not one person here who has put it forward has come up with an idea on how it would improve the game other then graphics, f**k the whole DLC, online malarky that one person was spewing earlier because the Wii can do those anyway all I'm hearing is "imagine what they could do" well guess what imagine what devs could do if the PS3 and 360 were as powerful as top tier gaming rig PCs. It just doesn't fly as an argument, until someone can come up with some valid enhancements a part from playing in 1080/720p I stand by my point that Galaxy would be the same game only in higher resolution much like 90% of the games today are HD versions of their last gen counterparts.

I'm not saying the game would be be improved other than the graphics OR that Nintendo should have gone with a more powerful system. 

 

You're saying Nintendo wouldn't up their abilities as programmers as their tech capabilites increase.  I completely disagree; that totally discredits Nintendo's creativity.  You said it yourself before:  Galaxy is the most beautiful Wii game.  It doesn't just look like Mario 64 with new controls...

 



tube82 on 23 April 2010
archbrix said:
Wyrdness said:
archbrix said:
Wyrdness said:

Galaxy would not be enhanced on PS3 either, it would be exactly the same as Nintendo are the developer.

Gotta disagree on this point, bud.  With this logic, Super Nintendo games wouldn't look any better than they did on NES, or Wii games wouldn't look any better than Gamecube... er... wait... bad example.  

 

What I'm saying is, that Nintendo wouldn't limit what they could achieve with Mario to Wii code, if their console were in fact as powerful as a PS3.  Even the current Galaxy code alone would look better running on PS3 (think GOW Collection; silky smooth with no graphical hitches whatsoever and in 720p).

 

 

Except PS3 has the handicap of no motion control and that wand contraption isn't out and I hear has some lag, Galaxy looks graphically fine and far better then any GC game the way it is and you want to know why Galaxy is one of the best games in history it's not the hardware it's the concept and execution, the logic you're employing is like saying GOW3 and so on would be a much better game on PC. I know many PS3 users on this site who argue about Crysis would be just as good on consoles then PCs. Galaxy is praised because it used the Gravity concept in manipulating the physic of gravity to solve platforming puzzles, PS3 would offer nothing new to this concept that isn't done on Wii already it would also play differently which would hit various missions and reduce their appeal as well.

 

As said before it would be no different on PS3 infact it probably would suffer more like NMH has with the removal of MC despite touched up graphics. More power doesn't mean a game would be better on that platform.

I agree with Galaxy being fine on the Wii, and that "more power doesn't mean better".  What I was disagreeing with was that "Galaxy would not be enhanced and would be exactly the same on PS3".

 

First off, I'm not talking about controls or whether Nintendo's decision going with Wii tech vs HD tech was good or bad; that's a totally different topic... I for one like the Wii a lot.  I'm only talking if Nintendo had a console equivalent to PS3 in power.  Your comparison to NMH makes me think you're referring to some touched-up port of Galaxy with iffy controls to PS3.  I'm talking about a ground-up game of Mario with that much power to work with.  More power doesn't mean better, but what you're implying is that it wouldn't, or even couldn't be better.  You're underestimating Nintendo's abilities and imagination.  If the Wii had PS3 tech under the hood, a company like Nintendo would not limit themselves; why would they?

 

Thats not really how Nintendo acts. If they are happy with a game they don't care if it uses all the resources the platform has to offer.

Or do you think Wii Sports Resort or NSMBWii take all the power the wii has to offer?

 



dahuman on 23 April 2010

I give 0 for effort.



archbrix on 23 April 2010
tube82 said:
archbrix said:

I agree with Galaxy being fine on the Wii, and that "more power doesn't mean better".  What I was disagreeing with was that "Galaxy would not be enhanced and would be exactly the same on PS3".

 

First off, I'm not talking about controls or whether Nintendo's decision going with Wii tech vs HD tech was good or bad; that's a totally different topic... I for one like the Wii a lot.  I'm only talking if Nintendo had a console equivalent to PS3 in power.  Your comparison to NMH makes me think you're referring to some touched-up port of Galaxy with iffy controls to PS3.  I'm talking about a ground-up game of Mario with that much power to work with.  More power doesn't mean better, but what you're implying is that it wouldn't, or even couldn't be better.  You're underestimating Nintendo's abilities and imagination.  If the Wii had PS3 tech under the hood, a company like Nintendo would not limit themselves; why would they?

 

Thats not really how Nintendo acts. If they are happy with a game they don't care if it uses all the resources the platform has to offer.

Or do you think Wii Sports Resort or NSMBWii take all the power the wii has to offer?

 

No, I don't.  I do however think Galaxy, Metroid and Smash Bros. push the Wii quite a bit, though...

 



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Qays on 23 April 2010

Galaxy wouldn't work as well on PS3 as wii. The motion controls are what make the game fun and its a experiance than can't work on PS3.


The motion controls are what make Super Mario Galaxy fun? Erm, no they aren't. The fantastic level design is what makes it fun.



dahuman on 23 April 2010

To be honest, I think the OP meant graphics rather than anything else which is moot because you can easily get a PC and cry why every single game isn't on PC, though I do hear cries of consoles ruining PC gaming a lot, but that's only the FPS side of thing and that's more regarding on controls, speed, and feature, not the fucking graphics.

To cry about the Wii saying it doesn't have games is the oldest and stupidest argument on any forum because the Wii, in fact, has more variety than the 360 or PS3 when counting games, core or not core. If you wanted the best MP experience, you'd have shelled out the money for a PC, so don't even bring that bull shit here is what I'd say.

Oh and Monster Hunter 3 Tri is awesome, everybody should play it, like, totally.



killeryoshis on 23 April 2010
oniyide said:
@killerYoshis I see where your coming from, going to standard controls would defeat the whole purpose of WII. But it seems thats where devs are going, lets keep it real, most of the WII games can be done on a standard controller, NSMBWii, Metroid, Mario Kart, Brawl besides the Wii Sports games most on Ninty games "motion control" feel like an afterthought (looking at you Twilight Princess) 3rd parties are not even trying anymore. They really need to try to focus on motion+ Red steel 2 is the only game that has really pushed Wii, in controls and visuals

OF course they can be done on a standered controller. Just like how some nes ames could work with joystick controls
We are only in the begining. As time passes wii would get controls so advance that you would HATE to go back. Here I'll
give you reasons why

NSMBW: Use tilting controls that CAN not be done on a standered controller. CANNOT fact
Would you want to go back to standered controllers? no

If a driving game that can replicate driving a real car like mario kart wii.
Would you want to go back?

If a game that can replicate aiming with a gun
Would you want to go back?

If a game can replicate sports
Would you want to go back?

no,No and NO!

They seem like afterthoughts because we are only in the begining. It won't be long beofore wii starts doing things
the HD twins can never do without add ons

When you think about the wii is the only one really pushing on how we play games. It won't be long beofore standered controllers
become obsolete. We will only hear them from echos and retro comeback and for special purposes. Just like joy sticks.
They will become standered if the wii continues to be sucessful



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Wyrdness on 23 April 2010
tube82 said:

Thats not really how Nintendo acts. If they are happy with a game they don't care if it uses all the resources the platform has to offer.

Or do you think Wii Sports Resort or NSMBWii take all the power the wii has to offer?

 

 

Bingo, this man gets it.

 

@ Archbrix

 

What tube said nails it completely, it's not about underestimating Nintendo's creativity it's just knowing how they operate and tube has perfectly pointed it out, like Reggie said the next Nintendo console will come when Miyamoto and the designers say we have an idea that can't be done on the hardware as it's clear the Wii had more then enough to accomodate Galaxy's ideas.



archbrix on 23 April 2010
Wyrdness said:
tube82 said:

Thats not really how Nintendo acts. If they are happy with a game they don't care if it uses all the resources the platform has to offer.

Or do you think Wii Sports Resort or NSMBWii take all the power the wii has to offer?

 

 

Bingo, this man gets it.

 

@ Archbrix

 

What tube said nails it completely, it's not about underestimating Nintendo's creativity it's just knowing how they operate and tube has perfectly pointed it out, like Reggie said the next Nintendo console will come when Miyamoto and the designers say we have an idea that can't be done on the hardware as it's clear the Wii had more then enough to accomodate Galaxy's ideas.

We all know that graphics are not Nintendo's focus, but the Wii being enough to accomodate Galaxy's ideas is irrelevant to my point.

 

As I pointed out in my response to @tube82: 

Galaxy is a mighty beautiful game, as are many of Nintendo's games on Wii.  Obviously they put a lot of effort into many of their game's visuals, as they've always done on all of their systems and will continue to do as their tech advances over the years.

 

Whenever Nintendo comes out with new hardware you can bet that they will take advantage of its capabilities with ground-up games like a new Galaxy or Zelda.