rocketpig said: Rumor has it that they finally changed that crap X-clamp design in the new mobo designs, which was the main cause of RRoD. Between that, 65nm CPUs, and additional heatsinks, I think the red rings will slowly fade into memory. Well, in theory. Let's hope that MS doesn't keep this crap up for an entire generation.

 Every RROD I've recently read about was from an older console.  I suspect the problem with newer consoles will be quite uncommon.  I posted the thread in another thread and you can try to hunt it down, but the gist of it was this:  The falcon has a 65nm CPU (vs. 90mm).  It draws less power and produces less heat.  The GPU is also smaller but from the dissection, the  person couldn't tell if it was also a 60nm or a half-shrink from 90 to 80nm.  It was definitely smaller, though.  There is an additional heat sink to pull heat off of the GPU and the x-clamp has been replaced by 4 screws at each corner.  I highly doubt that there will be much failure (no more than standard failure rates of like electronics) of the system with these fixes in place.  Keep in mind that the second most common problem was the DVD drive failing for some reason or another.  You may recall an article where Microsoft changed vendors to Lite-on and had placed a substantial order (millions I believe) earlier this year.

I think at this point it is quite safe to purchase a new 360.  As long as it is a recent manufacture (and has HDMI) you are more or less assured that there is little chance it will RROD.

On VGC, there hasn't been one console that's RROD'ed on a member since Septmeber. Going even farther, no console has RROD'ed since the April modifications with the 2nd GPU to my knowledge.

If you head over to the NeoGAF thread about it, it seems that from April to September, there were a few (but much less widespread) RRODs. I have yet to hear of one RROD since Falcon.

I would say it's possible to still RROD, but I would tend to think that the chances of it happening are around 1-3%, like most consoles.

Duckaluck said: There will be RRoD problems for the new 360's. But it won't be as widespread.

What's the point of saying that if you don't give any reasons or sources for your claim?

At this point, judging from the information I'm seeing, if I had to bet I'd say that the RROD will happen rarely or never with the new consoles. Things should become clearer in the upcoming months.

 

mrstickball said: On VGC, there hasn't been one console that's RROD'ed on a member since Septmeber.

By VGC you mean VG Chartz right? Because... http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=10697

You actually posted there.

Fazz - Sorry about that, I meant RRODed on a console made since September.... And I can't remember any that have been made since April that have RRODed eiter.

mrstickball said: Fazz - Sorry about that, I meant RRODed on a console made since September.... And I can't remember any that have been made since April that have RRODed eiter.

Oh ok, then it makes sense. I'm interested in this because I want a 360 because of its solid RPG lineup, but RROD is the only thing holding me on :P 

fazz said: mrstickball said: On VGC, there hasn't been one console that's RROD'ed on a member since Septmeber. By VGC you mean VG Chartz right? Because... http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=10697 You actually posted there.

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I remember an article saying all xbox360's will RROD. And that it was only a matter of time depending on your gaming habbits. I think it's too early to tell if the new versions will not RROD too. I'm a proud xbox360 owner myself and I didn't had any problems the first 10 months either apart from getting some of my games scratched. One day I played a dvd and it RROD on me. Remember the RROD-issue became only global after a year in the xbox360's lifespan! All the RROD will be from older consoles! The Falcon and other versions will one day be older consoles too I fear.

kn said: Every RROD I've recently read about was from an older console. I suspect the problem with newer consoles will be quite uncommon. I posted the thread in another thread and you can try to hunt it down, but the gist of it was this: The falcon has a 65nm CPU (vs. 90mm). It draws less power and produces less heat. The GPU is also smaller but from the dissection, the person couldn't tell if it was also a 60nm or a half-shrink from 90 to 80nm. It was definitely smaller, though. There is an additional heat sink to pull heat off of the GPU and the x-clamp has been replaced by 4 screws at each corner. I highly doubt that there will be much failure (no more than standard failure rates of like electronics) of the system with these fixes in place. Keep in mind that the second most common problem was the DVD drive failing for some reason or another. You may recall an article where Microsoft changed vendors to Lite-on and had placed a substantial order (millions I believe) earlier this year. I think at this point it is quite safe to purchase a new 360. As long as it is a recent manufacture (and has HDMI) you are more or less assured that there is little chance it will RROD.

RROD is only part of the problem, you have dvd drive failures, 1 red light E74 failure, the common "I have sound but no picture" problem, consoles bricked after an update, all these issues are not adressed, and are not covered by the 3 year warranty extension. So basically if your Xbox360 breaks down and doesn't flash the RROD you're screwed. 

If Microsoft had really adressed the problem, don't you think it would be their best interest to put new mobos in refurbs instead of keeping sending them back as faulty as they are. The thing is Microsoft just wants your money, by keeping people guessing MS lure them into believing new consoles are more reliable, and therefore  they will likely buy a new one instead of dealing with the Refurgatory.

Look at what happened with the heatsink, and then with the 65nm chip. Rumors (probably started by MS) periodically state that each "new batch of consoles" that comes out with the slightest modification will eradicate the malfunctions when we all know that only a complete redesign, and better electronic components could solve the problem. 

@ videogirl: One big flaw in your arguement that microsoft only wants our money. Why would they want to sell more consoles to the same users over again if they don't make any profits on the hardware! It makes no sense! Selling consoles is all about expanding the market to sell their software to. That's where the real profit is.

I have to agree with the rest though. RROD isn't the only problem. I didn't knew those weren't covered with the 3-year warranty extension