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joshin69 said:
scat398 said:
joshin69 said:
Damyouall has one VERY GOOD point, prove him wrong with numbers and articles, not insults. Its far more effective.

He has a point that has already proven wrong, saying otherwise doesn't make it any less true.


Where has he been proven wrong? Ive allready proven what you wrote wrong from the official xbox site. this is how you prove wrong, with facts. Not "your wrong"

Im starting to wonder about your reading comprehension skills.  You posted the warranty page and then misquoted it, for some reason.  And as I and many others have already stated older 360's were either refurbed or replaced completely and given full 3 year warranties.  And as I also said, maybe they have updated the warranty since 2007 when mine was renewed.

The point being the OP based his whole point on early 360's being about of warranty and a guesstimate on his part that 75% of those people would by new consoles.  He was wrong on the first part of his assumption and we all know the second part is too.



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Im always thought this, but dont talk about it because some people can put the fanboy label on me.



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Homeroids said:
kowenicki said:
Damnyouall said:
kowenicki said:

And what is the opinion of the OP??? Gets me when people post stories with no opinion of their own...

My opinion: Those numbers seam fairly reasonable, maybe even on the low end.


riiiight

so how do you explain 360 software sales? 

Total US userbase of said consoles reported as of this week:

70,558 (-15%) 22,861,031
65,617 (-18%) 13,688,187

Total software sales for this week in US for said consoles:

Rarely does the install base reflect the weekly software totals these days. Strange.

1,365,229 (+25%) 246,984,906 10.80
1,132,327 (-7%) 121,049,431 8.84

This is only because of the recent PS3 software releases.  There has been a heavy string so far this year of PS3 games.  Only major 360 releases so far have been Mass Effect 2 and SC:C (which just released).  During the holidays and in normal (not heavy game loaded) times I think the install base and software are more in line.



nightsurge said:
Homeroids said:
kowenicki said:
Damnyouall said:
kowenicki said:

And what is the opinion of the OP??? Gets me when people post stories with no opinion of their own...

My opinion: Those numbers seam fairly reasonable, maybe even on the low end.


riiiight

so how do you explain 360 software sales? 

Total US userbase of said consoles reported as of this week:

70,558 (-15%) 22,861,031
65,617 (-18%) 13,688,187

Total software sales for this week in US for said consoles:

Rarely does the install base reflect the weekly software totals these days. Strange.

1,365,229 (+25%) 246,984,906 10.80
1,132,327 (-7%) 121,049,431 8.84

This is only because of the recent PS3 software releases.  There has been a heavy string so far this year of PS3 games.  Only major 360 releases so far have been Mass Effect 2 and SC:C (which just released).  During the holidays and in normal (not heavy game loaded) times I think the install base and software are more in line.


Well, I dont think that any AAA games are planned for may, we'll see then.



supercat said:
nightsurge said:
Homeroids said:
kowenicki said:
Damnyouall said:
kowenicki said:

And what is the opinion of the OP??? Gets me when people post stories with no opinion of their own...

My opinion: Those numbers seam fairly reasonable, maybe even on the low end.


riiiight

so how do you explain 360 software sales? 

Total US userbase of said consoles reported as of this week:

70,558 (-15%) 22,861,031
65,617 (-18%) 13,688,187

Total software sales for this week in US for said consoles:

Rarely does the install base reflect the weekly software totals these days. Strange.

1,365,229 (+25%) 246,984,906 10.80
1,132,327 (-7%) 121,049,431 8.84

This is only because of the recent PS3 software releases.  There has been a heavy string so far this year of PS3 games.  Only major 360 releases so far have been Mass Effect 2 and SC:C (which just released).  During the holidays and in normal (not heavy game loaded) times I think the install base and software are more in line.


Well, I dont think that any AAA games are planned for may, we'll see then.

Alan Wake hits in May.  That's a possibility.  Mod Nation Racers does too.  June, maybe?

Too many good games is definitely not a bad thing!



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kowenicki said:
Baalzamon said:
What about software, really? Go look at the charts people, PS3 is currently whooping the 360 in software sales.


nothing to do with the fact that it has just released some of its most aniticpated titles this gen??? no???

and all the older games with crazy legs on PS3? What about ME2, isn't that an anticipated game? What about Uncharted still rocking the top 50? pfff whatever, who am I kidding? I never actually expect any unbiased posts coming from you anyways.. you never change, you're so predictable with your posts.



Sony fans are quick to point out repeat buying of 360's but have they forgotten the massive amounts of repeat buying of the PS and PS2? Same goes with Ninty and their respective hardwares.



Ok so according to the article consoles replaced by MS free of charge during the warranty period are counted as sales? Am I right in thinking that's what the article states or have I not read it properly?

 

Edit* Just re-read it no it doesn't state that, it assumes out of warranty sales from RROD 360 owners.



Damnyouall said:

Could it be that PS3 is Already Ahead of Xbox 360?

While PS3 has been continually outselling Microsoft's Xbox 360 worldwide ever since the price-reduced slim model of PS3 was released in September 2009, so far supposedly 39 Million Xbox 360s have been sold to consumers around the world, versus 34 Million PS3s. But is the userbase of Microsoft's Xbox 360 really larger than that of PS3 or could PS3 possibly be ahead already? There is much evidence in favor of this assumption.

As we know, Microsoft was forced to extend the warranty of Xbox 360 to three years to compensate for the extremely high failure rate, which a recent survey found to be at 42% total. Unfortunately, the survey does not differentiate between early (2005-2008) and later models of Xbox 360, which are apparently much more durable.

So far there have been five major revisions of the 360's hardware. The dreaded "Red Ring of Death" (RRoD) mostly occured in models made before late 2008: Xenon (2005-2006), Zephyr (2006-2007), Opus (2007) and Falcon (2007-2008), with each subsequent revision having lower failure rates. The worst failure rate occured in the first revision (Xenon); quite possibly above 66%. Jasper was introduced in late 2008 / early 2009, and anecdotal evidence points to it having a much more reasonable failure rate; probably well below 10%.

Xenon is now out of warranty: In late 2008, the 3-year warranty ended for those 360s sold in 2005/2006. Most of these did faill at least once during the three year period, and more than half of those that failed, failed more than once. The reason for is is that Microsoft didn't exchange defective Xenons with Falcons or Jaspers but with fixed Xenons. It is therefore safe to assume that many have failed again since the warranty ran out. In 2010, warranty runs out for the Zephyr & Opus revisions.

To sum it up, from November 2005 until late 2007, rougly 15.8 Million Xbox 360s were sold, which comprise the hardware revisions with the worst failure rates (Xenon, Zephyr, Opus). To make things simple, let's assume 60% of them died (or are eventually going to die) out of warranty = 9.4 Million. It's a given that most people who built up a library of games and play games online with their friends won't simply abandon 360 alltogether just because their out of warranty console fails; they will buy a replacement.

For simplicity's sake, let's assume 3/4 buy a new one, which equals roughly 7 Million. Now, if we substract this number from the total number of Xbox 360s sold, we arrive at 32 Million. If we only count active 360s, we also have to substract those 2.4 Million failed 360s that were not replaced. And this is probably it, the real install base of Xbox 360: 29.6 Million.

PS3 on the other hand reportedly has a failure rate of 8%; let's assume that 2/3 of the defects occured outside of Sony's 1-year warranty (=5.28%, or 1.79 Million), and that 3/4s of those who encountered a defect eventually bought a new PS3 (=1.34 Million), then we arrive at an install base of 32.21 Million.

Since we don't have precise numbers regarding failure rates, the above figures should be taken with a grain of salt.

However, the conclusion is simple: As of 2010, PS3 most likely has a larger install base than Xbox 360.

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The green is bad enough, but anything that contains that arrangement of words in red is just ridiculous. Source is a forum post? This is just pathetic, how can people go along with this so easily, aren't people capable of logical/rational thought? How is this thread not locked?

That said, at least this discussion is entertaining.



nightsurge said:
Homeroids said:
kowenicki said:
Damnyouall said:
kowenicki said:

And what is the opinion of the OP??? Gets me when people post stories with no opinion of their own...

My opinion: Those numbers seam fairly reasonable, maybe even on the low end.


riiiight

so how do you explain 360 software sales? 

Total US userbase of said consoles reported as of this week:

70,558 (-15%) 22,861,031
65,617 (-18%) 13,688,187

Total software sales for this week in US for said consoles:

Rarely does the install base reflect the weekly software totals these days. Strange.

1,365,229 (+25%) 246,984,906 10.80
1,132,327 (-7%) 121,049,431 8.84

This is only because of the recent PS3 software releases.  There has been a heavy string so far this year of PS3 games.  Only major 360 releases so far have been Mass Effect 2 and SC:C (which just released).  During the holidays and in normal (not heavy game loaded) times I think the install base and software are more in line.

Another interesting stat:

Since Sept 1 2009, the PS3 Slim release, the total software totals ending 10th April 2010 are:

PS3:

Sept 1 2009: 151,046,656

April 10 2010: 233,071,997

Total software: 82,025,341

 

360:

Sept 1 2009: 252,707,504

April 10 2010: 343,230,856

Total software: 90,523,352

 

User base ratios as of April 2010:

185,666 (-16%) 33,958,280
137,603 (-8%) 39,318,060

0.864

 

Software purchase ratio for cumultaive sales from Sept1 09 - April10 10

PS3: 82,025,341  360: 90,523,352

0.906

Don't know if that means much :)

 

Anyway, I'm basically shite stirring :). Remember next time to look at my avatar and ask yourself, can I take that guy seriously? Right........ :)