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@ NightAntilli

But then again, you're usually looking for ways to undermine the X360 so yeah


No not really, I gave compliments to ATi for their work on the Xenos. It's pretty good for a 2005 GPU, I don't think the lack of EDRAM or sharing bandwidth with the CPU was their call. The basic idea on their part was pretty solid.

However I did criticize Microsoft for claiming the XBox 360 was more powerful than the PS3, claiming anti-aliasing would be free for XBox 360 HD games, claiming XBox 360 failures were well within industry standards, claiming HD DVD or Blu-Ray would be optional on the XBox 360 but that HD DVD is "the high definition format of choice", claiming 6.8 GB per disc is more than enough for HD gaming, etc, etc. And of course I countered blind fanboys which repeat such crap.

There are several different aspects for you to consider. I am not as black & white as you make me out to be. Microsoft with their crap caused a lot of fanboys to ruin a lot of potentially interesting tech discussions.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

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Newsflash.. Every company talks crap.. Like Sony with their 4D graphics, that people would buy the PS3 despite the price, etc... If you disregard the X360 and MS for those comments, but still praise the PS3/Sony more.. Well you fill in the blanks.



Truth does not fear investigation

NightAntilli said:
Newsflash.. Every company talks crap.. Like Sony with their 4D graphics, that people would buy the PS3 despite the price, etc... If you disregard the X360 and MS for those comments, but still praise the PS3/Sony more.. Well you fill in the blanks.

4D though is true:

http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/4d/4dfaq-meth.html

an here is an example of a 4D OBJECT IN MOTION

http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/4d/trunc5cell.html



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

@ NightAntilli

Why don't you see how harmless such comments are?

I would have bought a PS3 at launch even if over 1000 Euros, it would still be by far the cheapest Cell based solution out there.

What does 4D graphics actually mean? It just suggest an extra dimension. Maybe they were referring to stereoscopic 3D gaming / depth gadget like the new motion controllers, which add new a new dimension to gaming and movie watching.

Completely harmless, unlike what I wrote above. The new stereoscopic 3D version of Super Stardust HD is going to render 120 pictures per second (60 per eye) in high definition, that's quite a feat.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

note:

The red and blue cells appear to be deforming inside-out and engulfing each other, but this is only an artifact of projection into 3D. In reality, they are perfectly regular cubes, two opposite cells of the tesseract, and neither deform nor touch each other as they rotate through 4D space.

it's pretty well explained as such:

Building on the popular 3D animation, 4D has added a time and space concept to it's dimensions. Animators are now capable to move an object around its own mirror image. This has been a mathematical idea and application for some time, but now through computer technology, it has been launched into feature films and other animation projects.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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Mummelmann said:
headshot91 said:
Eurogamer said the graphics were "decent"

Yes, worded so by the eminent female reviewer with the following, impressive review resume from which to draw upon in her judgement;

Dead or Alive: Paradise - psp
Muscle March - wii
Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll - wii
Plants vs. Zombies - iphone 
Matt Hazard: Blood Bath and Beyond - 360
Critter Crunch - ps3
Tony Hawk: RIDE
We Sing - wii
Buzz!: Quiz World - ps3
Jambo! Safari - wii
Jak & Daxter: The Lost Frontier - psp
LittleBigPlanet - psp
Take That Singstar - ps3

I think I'll pretend she smokes too much weed and read some other reviews instead.

ooh tut tut tut, HAS to be biased because she only reviews mostly wii/psp games and is a female.



headshot91 said:
Mummelmann said:
headshot91 said:
Eurogamer said the graphics were "decent"

Yes, worded so by the eminent female reviewer with the following, impressive review resume from which to draw upon in her judgement;

Dead or Alive: Paradise - psp
Muscle March - wii
Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll - wii
Plants vs. Zombies - iphone 
Matt Hazard: Blood Bath and Beyond - 360
Critter Crunch - ps3
Tony Hawk: RIDE
We Sing - wii
Buzz!: Quiz World - ps3
Jambo! Safari - wii
Jak & Daxter: The Lost Frontier - psp
LittleBigPlanet - psp
Take That Singstar - ps3

I think I'll pretend she smokes too much weed and read some other reviews instead.

ooh tut tut tut, HAS to be biased because she only reviews mostly wii/psp games and is a female.

Every single person in the world is biased, including you and me. And as I mentioned in my other post; her being a woman was probably insignificant but her review history is not. Can you not see how different this game will be from anything she's ever reviewed? The closest thing on that list is Matt Hazard, which is still far away (sidescrolling shooter a la Contra). Seeing that list should hint at what this person enjoys and plays most of the time.

Personally, I hate Buzz, I find it meaningless and boring and would rather play a board game than this noise but I love RPG's. Ergo; I'd score Buzz very low (2-3/10) because I can't enjoy it but I might score a mediocre RPG 5 or 6 simply because I enjoy the genre and certain aspects of it. Can't you see where this could create some problems in assessing a games worth on its merit and premise?



joeorc said:
NightAntilli said:
Newsflash.. Every company talks crap.. Like Sony with their 4D graphics, that people would buy the PS3 despite the price, etc... If you disregard the X360 and MS for those comments, but still praise the PS3/Sony more.. Well you fill in the blanks.

4D though is true:

http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/4d/4dfaq-meth.html

an here is an example of a 4D OBJECT IN MOTION

http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/4d/trunc5cell.html

And how exactly is that relevant towards the consumer and the PS3? Exactly, not relevant at all..

 

@MikeB: I don't think those comments are "harmless". Sony has always been bragging about the power of the PS3, but in actual games, the majority still looks better on the X360. And before you give me the exclusive argument, most games are multiplats, and if the PS3 was definitely more powerful than the X360 it could easily beat it without the need of optimization, just like the old Xbox and Gamecube beat the PS2 with easy on graphics. But yeah, what I say is probably not harmless, but if you say that the PS3 is superior, it suddenly is.. Talk about having double standards.. And yes, it's still the case.. Look here:

http://misterslimm.wordpress.com/360-vs-ps3/xbox-360-vs-ps3-head-to-head-face-off-results/

 

And to tackle your oh so harmful comments towards the X360, here goes:

 

"However I did criticize Microsoft for claiming the XBox 360 was more powerful than the PS3"

Why? They had good arguments. It wasn't bashing the competition, unlike Sony was doing with its move recently to Natal and Wii Plus.. They said the PS3 hardware made more sense for other things than gaming, which basically is true.. Also, Sony said the Cell is three times more powerful than the X360 CPU, but then, someone from IBM, the designers, said they were actually pretty similar and will outperform each other in different situations since they're built for different purposes.. But again probably, you'll find the Sony comment "harmless" and the MS comment "extraordinary".. Right??

 

"claiming anti-aliasing would be free for XBox 360 HD games"

Technically, it is "free", because it does not limit the bandwidth to the memory of your whole system nor the GPU itself, but that's only so up to certain resolutions and without HDR. So they did not lie. They just left a part out, but come on, that's the way advertising works. You don't hear McDonalds saying "our hamburgers are only one dollar but will make you fat", you only hear everything before the 'but'. 

 

"claiming XBox 360 failures were well within industry standards"

Well, they were wrong, and they offered a 3 year warranty for that. So what? Look below at the price point for further explanation.

 

"claiming HD DVD or Blu-Ray would be optional on the XBox 360 but that HD DVD is "the high definition format of choice""

Of course it was for them. Otherwise they wouldn't have released an add-on. What's wrong with this statement? Do you expect them to say that Blu-Ray is better if they support HD-DVD? Do you expect MS to say Wii motion is better than Natal? Do you expect Sony to say Wii motion is better than Move? Your bias is showing...

 

"claiming 6.8 GB per disc is more than enough for HD gaming"

It is. As a few examples on the X360, Assassin's Creed II is 5.2GB, Grand Theft Auto IV is 6.4GB (and actually runs at HD res unlike the PS3 version), Oblivion is 5.9GB, FarCry 2 is 3.6GB. Those are a few of the largest games this gen, and they don't even reach the 6.8GB limit. The reason the PS3 uses so much space is because it uses lots of space for pre-rendered HD videos, and puts some files multiple times to lower access and loading times. Pre-rendered videos are nice, but not needed for games. And besides, what's wrong with having two discs? It was a mistake not having a hard drive out of the box to go with the console, but there's nothing wrong with the DVD format by itself. So if there's a claim that's harmless, this one should be it.

 

"I would have bought a PS3 at launch even if over 1000 Euros, it would still be by far the cheapest Cell based solution out there."

You certainly don't represent the average consumer out there... Most people don't know about a cell based solution and probably couldn't care less about it. The statement that it would sell anyway despite the price, bit them in the ass until they reduced the price. This is basically the same story as MS saying RROD is within industry standards, but being basically forced to increase the warranty duration.. And yet, according to you, the Sony one is harmless, but the MS one is not? Again, your bias is showing. 

 

I don't care if you prefer a console. Hell we all have a preference of some sort, and I prefer the X360, but when discussing something, I want to remain objective and not be clouded by my preference. Sure, the PS3 can be more powerful, I honestly don't know. Actually, none of you do, you assume it is because you like it more. Sure, the exclusives look great, but I don't go around saying the PS3 is weaker because those games look better on the X360, and that's what you usually do with X360 games.. You say the X360 is too weak for this and that, and look at what the exclusives on the PS3 are doing and look at the features on the PS3 which are superior to the X360. And sorry, but I have a problem with that.



Truth does not fear investigation

Mummelmann said:
headshot91 said:
Mummelmann said:
headshot91 said:
Eurogamer said the graphics were "decent"

Yes, worded so by the eminent female reviewer with the following, impressive review resume from which to draw upon in her judgement;

Dead or Alive: Paradise - psp
Muscle March - wii
Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll - wii
Plants vs. Zombies - iphone 
Matt Hazard: Blood Bath and Beyond - 360
Critter Crunch - ps3
Tony Hawk: RIDE
We Sing - wii
Buzz!: Quiz World - ps3
Jambo! Safari - wii
Jak & Daxter: The Lost Frontier - psp
LittleBigPlanet - psp
Take That Singstar - ps3

I think I'll pretend she smokes too much weed and read some other reviews instead.

ooh tut tut tut, HAS to be biased because she only reviews mostly wii/psp games and is a female.

Every single person in the world is biased, including you and me. And as I mentioned in my other post; her being a woman was probably insignificant but her review history is not. Can you not see how different this game will be from anything she's ever reviewed? The closest thing on that list is Matt Hazard, which is still far away (sidescrolling shooter a la Contra). Seeing that list should hint at what this person enjoys and plays most of the time.

Personally, I hate Buzz, I find it meaningless and boring and would rather play a board game than this noise but I love RPG's. Ergo; I'd score Buzz very low (2-3/10) because I can't enjoy it but I might score a mediocre RPG 5 or 6 simply because I enjoy the genre and certain aspects of it. Can't you see where this could create some problems in assessing a games worth on its merit and premise?

This reviewer doesn't just post a review without consulting anyone. It has to be edited and checked before it goes up. Just because she has reviewed only a few 360/ps3 games means nothing, i mean everyone has to start somewhere. We wouldn't be having this conversation if she had given it 10/10.



headshot91 said:
Mummelmann said:
headshot91 said:
Mummelmann said:
headshot91 said:
Eurogamer said the graphics were "decent"

Yes, worded so by the eminent female reviewer with the following, impressive review resume from which to draw upon in her judgement;

Dead or Alive: Paradise - psp
Muscle March - wii
Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll - wii
Plants vs. Zombies - iphone 
Matt Hazard: Blood Bath and Beyond - 360
Critter Crunch - ps3
Tony Hawk: RIDE
We Sing - wii
Buzz!: Quiz World - ps3
Jambo! Safari - wii
Jak & Daxter: The Lost Frontier - psp
LittleBigPlanet - psp
Take That Singstar - ps3

I think I'll pretend she smokes too much weed and read some other reviews instead.

ooh tut tut tut, HAS to be biased because she only reviews mostly wii/psp games and is a female.

Every single person in the world is biased, including you and me. And as I mentioned in my other post; her being a woman was probably insignificant but her review history is not. Can you not see how different this game will be from anything she's ever reviewed? The closest thing on that list is Matt Hazard, which is still far away (sidescrolling shooter a la Contra). Seeing that list should hint at what this person enjoys and plays most of the time.

Personally, I hate Buzz, I find it meaningless and boring and would rather play a board game than this noise but I love RPG's. Ergo; I'd score Buzz very low (2-3/10) because I can't enjoy it but I might score a mediocre RPG 5 or 6 simply because I enjoy the genre and certain aspects of it. Can't you see where this could create some problems in assessing a games worth on its merit and premise?

This reviewer doesn't just post a review without consulting anyone. It has to be edited and checked before it goes up. Just because she has reviewed only a few 360/ps3 games means nothing, i mean everyone has to start somewhere. We wouldn't be having this conversation if she had given it 10/10.

Its not the score that bothers me, its her silly comment on how the graphics are "decent" when that clearly isn't the case according to the rest of the world and it shows that she doesn't really have a good grasp on things. There are most certainly no games on this genre that have visuals on par with this. Of course, she would know this if she ever played Alone in the Dark, Resident Evil 5, Silent Hill: Homecoming or Dead Space.