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Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
outlawauron said:
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thelifatree said:
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thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.

Like I mean, they mislead investors.

EVERY damn magazine in the USA mislead me because GTAIV wasn't very good. therefore, every magazine in america is committing a crime?

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 

Well, we have no idea if there's a disclaimer in the magazine as it's not out yet. (which Kotaku does mention)

There is a screencap of the review in the article... so we do know.



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outlawauron on 21 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 

Well, we have no idea if there's a disclaimer in the magazine as it's not out yet. (which Kotaku does mention)

There is a screencap of the review in the article... so we do know.

But, I've seen explanations about features and reviews, etc. in the editor's opening letter in several magazines. Just saying that you can't the magazine doesn't address it unless the magazine is actually out.



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makingmusic476 on 21 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

Kojima has been quite blunt about Peace Walker's tie-ins from the getgo.  It's merely humorous to me that Kotaku of all places has the gall to call out another rag over journalistic integrity.

That's quite irrelvent... tie ins are fine... tie ins with magazines that are supposed to be giving unbiased reviews of your product?  Seems... a bit out there.

Especially if you don't announce it in your review.

It's like selling people stock in a company you own when your pretending to be a nuetral consultant.

I'd think the advertisements plastered throughout the magazine have that covered.

I... don't.  There are adverisments on every review site.  It's not really the same as having a liscensing deal with the game, and executives getting paid to appear in advertisements.

 

As for the Kotaku thing by the way... If Jeffery Dahmer calls someone else a murderer and shows proof... I care more that someone else is a murder.

The entire article is based upon the blatant advertising found within Famitsu.  The giant photos of the owner playing Peace Walker, etc.  The average Famitsu reader has as much to go on as Kotaku here, so either it's enough information to let readers know the situation or it's not enough information for Kotaku to base their speculation on.  Take your pick.



thelifatree on 21 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.

Like I mean, they mislead investors.

EVERY damn magazine in the USA mislead me because GTAIV wasn't very good. therefore, every magazine in america is committing a crime?

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 

They did if they were influenced by money $. The only thing Famitsu did was make it more suspicious.

The conflict of interest could be applied to advertising for games in a gaming magazine as I've been saying. This is just to a more so extent.

Obviously Famitsu has everything to lose, As a review, is subjective in the first place, there is  no possible way to prove it unless, there is an Email found from from to Famitsu saying. And even then I don't think it will even be a risk, as I doubt Famitsu will be the only place to give it a perfect score (even if the game sucks)

Like I mean, I have the perception that every magazine is misleading me, so really, thats why I'm arguing this, nothing changed.

But, if you had a different perception then I guess I can see that.

Once again, there is a HUGE difference from a minor affiliation "advertising".

And a Major affiliation... directly paying the higherups of a company for sometheing.


As for every website and magazine being influenced by advertiser money... there are plenty of reviewers here you can talk to and still see if you believe that to be true.

Alright, I'll agree with that, because I have talked to some of the reviewers on the site. But the reason why I trust their opinion is cause I've talked to them.

If you go to the Famitsu Level, Game Informer level. You can't talk to the reviewer, or get the basis of their opinion or if they were influenced by $.

hence the reason why I am on this site :D



sega4life on 21 April 2010
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

Kojima has been quite blunt about Peace Walker's tie-ins from the getgo.  It's merely humorous to me that Kotaku of all places has the gall to call out another rag over journalistic integrity.

That's quite irrelvent... tie ins are fine... tie ins with magazines that are supposed to be giving unbiased reviews of your product?  Seems... a bit out there.

Especially if you don't announce it in your review.

It's like selling people stock in a company you own when your pretending to be a nuetral consultant.

I'd think the advertisements plastered throughout the magazine have that covered.

I... don't.  There are adverisments on every review site.  It's not really the same as having a liscensing deal with the game, and executives getting paid to appear in advertisements.

 

As for the Kotaku thing by the way... If Jeffery Dahmer calls someone else a murderer and shows proof... I care more that someone else is a murder.

The entire article is based upon the blatant advertising found within Famitsu.  The giant photos of the owner playing Peace Walker, etc.  The average Famitsu reader has as much to go on as Kotaku here, so either it's enough information to let readers know the situation or it's not enough information for Kotaku to base their speculation on.  Take your pick.

So there's speculation on photos? it's not Sasquatch were talking about, it's the Publisher of Fam holding a MGS PSP, and that the MAG he publishes gave a 40/40 - Perfect Score.. everyone into games in Japan knows who he is, and he's a big influence



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Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 

Well, we have no idea if there's a disclaimer in the magazine as it's not out yet. (which Kotaku does mention)

There is a screencap of the review in the article... so we do know.

But, I've seen explanations about features and reviews, etc. in the editor's opening letter in several magazines. Just saying that you can't the magazine doesn't address it unless the magazine is actually out.

Even being in the Editor's opening is problematic... how many peopel read the editor's opening?  It's like the least popular part of most Magazines.



Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

Kojima has been quite blunt about Peace Walker's tie-ins from the getgo.  It's merely humorous to me that Kotaku of all places has the gall to call out another rag over journalistic integrity.

That's quite irrelvent... tie ins are fine... tie ins with magazines that are supposed to be giving unbiased reviews of your product?  Seems... a bit out there.

Especially if you don't announce it in your review.

It's like selling people stock in a company you own when your pretending to be a nuetral consultant.

I'd think the advertisements plastered throughout the magazine have that covered.

I... don't.  There are adverisments on every review site.  It's not really the same as having a liscensing deal with the game, and executives getting paid to appear in advertisements.

 

As for the Kotaku thing by the way... If Jeffery Dahmer calls someone else a murderer and shows proof... I care more that someone else is a murder.

The entire article is based upon the blatant advertising found within Famitsu.  The giant photos of the owner playing Peace Walker, etc.  The average Famitsu reader has as much to go on as Kotaku here, so either it's enough information to let readers know the situation or it's not enough information for Kotaku to base their speculation on.  Take your pick.

How do you figure?

Kotaku being a gaming website is going to be a lot more familiar with who's who then your average magazine owner.

I mean, is the average person even going to know Entebrain owns Famitsu.

Do you know who owns Kentucky Fried Chicken?


Also, as far as I can tell... that's from another magazine.



Wonktonodi on 21 April 2010

Does the magazine need to have the disclaimer in the review if it has it clearly in the magazine? (if it even has it we don't know yet)
Some would say no but it probably hurts both the game and the magazine more for not having it in the review even if it does have it clearly elsewhere in the magazine..
If doesn't matter if they only did the adds because they loved the game(both having the magazine in the game and the adds for the game in the magazine) because it raises suspicion that the score was not from the merit of the game alone.

Maybe they are thinking the amount of people who are suspicious will be outweighed by the amount of people who by the game and or magazine.



tjallern on 21 April 2010
sega4life said:
makingmusic476 said:
Why should we trust loltaku on this?

? what do you mean?

This is not like a rumor, look at the pics, Hirokazu Hamamura is right there, even holding a MG PSP..

 

Also what wrong with Kotaku? It's a creditable site, like us it reports gaming news, can't really think of an article they posted that was wrong or brought to my attention that I should not read their news.


 

Lolye, Kotaku is a very unbiased, credible site... To claim that they are, would probably one of the worst statements ever... Congratulations!

About the ads:

SO WHAT? He likes the game/the game is good, he is somewhat famous for gamers and his name happens to sound/look like a Japanese verb which means "get in" or something similar to that. This is called WORDPLAY ladies (and gentlemen?), and happens to be one of my favorite types of humor/advertising. How stupid is this Kotaku guy writing this shit, using an online dictionary to find all the meanings for はまる, cooking up all these theories. All words in Japanese have multiple meanings like this. If I was Japanese and knew about this Hamamaru guy, I would find this ad good.

I wonder what Kotaku would say if this was happening to Halo, Gears or some other MS game. Oh, who the hell am I kidding? They wouldn't give a shit, they'd probably call it "a brilliant marketing strategy by MS".

Kotaku = major wankers

And to answer you heading:

Is there something I missed? Have you actually trusted any reviews at all this generation? They're nothing more than heavily biased 8/9+ fests anyways. Just look at some of the scores out this generation (Halo 3, Gears 2 and MW 2 comes to mind)



sega4life on 21 April 2010
tjallern said:
sega4life said:
makingmusic476 said:
Why should we trust loltaku on this?

? what do you mean?

This is not like a rumor, look at the pics, Hirokazu Hamamura is right there, even holding a MG PSP..

 

Also what wrong with Kotaku? It's a creditable site, like us it reports gaming news, can't really think of an article they posted that was wrong or brought to my attention that I should not read their news.


 

Lolye, Kotaku is a very unbiased, credible site... To claim that they are, would probably one of the worst statements ever... Congratulations!

About the ads:

SO WHAT? He likes the game/the game is good, he is somewhat famous for gamers and his name happens to sound/look like a Japanese verb which means "get in" or something similar to that. This is called WORDPLAY ladies (and gentlemen?), and happens to be one of my favorite types of humor/advertising. How stupid is this Kotaku guy writing this shit, using an online dictionary to find all the meanings for はまる, cooking up all these theories. All words in Japanese have multiple meanings like this. If I was Japanese and knew about this Hamamaru guy, I would find this ad good.

I wonder what Kotaku would say if this was happening to Halo, Gears or some other MS game. Oh, who the hell am I kidding? They wouldn't give a shit, they'd probably call it "a brilliant marketing strategy by MS".

Kotaku = major wankers

And to answer you heading:

Is there something I missed? Have you actually trusted any reviews at all this generation? They're nothing more than heavily biased 8/9+ fests anyways. Just look at some of the scores out this generation (Halo 3, Gears 2 and MW 2 comes to mind)

Congratulations on not providing any info on why Kotaku is not a credible site..

Wordplays Definition: Publisher of Mag, has Mag give game a perfect 40/40, then Publisher joins game's ad campaign?.. who knew..

The name thing seems to be a Pun in light of the article..

Can you please share some links to show how Kotaku is up MS's butt? from what I have read of Kotaku, Gizmodo, lifehacker, they seems to love Apple..

Yes, theres allot you missed.



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