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Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

Kojima has been quite blunt about Peace Walker's tie-ins from the getgo.  It's merely humorous to me that Kotaku of all places has the gall to call out another rag over journalistic integrity.

That's quite irrelvent... tie ins are fine... tie ins with magazines that are supposed to be giving unbiased reviews of your product?  Seems... a bit out there.

Especially if you don't announce it in your review.

It's like selling people stock in a company you own when your pretending to be a nuetral consultant.

I'd think the advertisements plastered throughout the magazine have that covered.

I... don't.  There are adverisments on every review site.  It's not really the same as having a liscensing deal with the game, and executives getting paid to appear in advertisements.

 

As for the Kotaku thing by the way... If Jeffery Dahmer calls someone else a murderer and shows proof... I care more that someone else is a murder.



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thelifatree on 21 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

And what if the guy off of Famitsu liked the game, why can't he endorse the game. (it is a little weird though)

basketball players endorse things. and some of those products dont work as expected and they suck

 

you can question famitsu credibility and I do, but at the most its a videogame magazine endorsing a videogame. Whats the crysis?



Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.



thelifatree on 21 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.

Like I mean, they mislead investors.

EVERY damn magazine in the USA mislead me because GTAIV wasn't very good. therefore, every magazine in america is committing a crime? Because Im pretty sure Rockstar had money in advertisements in every magazine.



FantasySky on 21 April 2010

or maybe it was a coinsident :P wait till the game egts other reveiws. they gave mgs4 a perfect score and mgs4's absalute lowest score was an 80%. alot if games dont get that as there highest let alone there lowest



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Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.

Like I mean, they mislead investors.

EVERY damn magazine in the USA mislead me because GTAIV wasn't very good. therefore, every magazine in america is committing a crime?

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 



Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
FantasySky said:
or maybe it was a coinsident :P wait till the game egts other reveiws. they gave mgs4 a perfect score and mgs4's absalute lowest score was an 80%. alot if games dont get that as there highest let alone there lowest

Even if it is a coincidence... it doesn't matter.  The problem is there review editor doesn't care enough to even bother or think it's worth it to point out they have a conflict of interest.

 



thelifatree on 21 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.

Like I mean, they mislead investors.

EVERY damn magazine in the USA mislead me because GTAIV wasn't very good. therefore, every magazine in america is committing a crime?

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 

They did if they were influenced by money $. The only thing Famitsu did was make it more suspicious.

The conflict of interest could be applied to advertising for games in a gaming magazine as I've been saying. This is just to a more so extent.

Obviously Famitsu has everything to lose, As a review, is subjective in the first place, there is  no possible way to prove it unless, there is an Email found from from to Famitsu saying. And even then I don't think it will even be a risk, as I doubt Famitsu will be the only place to give it a perfect score (even if the game sucks)

Like I mean, I have the perception that every magazine is misleading me, so really, thats why I'm arguing this, nothing changed.

But, if you had a different perception then I guess I can see that.



outlawauron on 21 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.

Like I mean, they mislead investors.

EVERY damn magazine in the USA mislead me because GTAIV wasn't very good. therefore, every magazine in america is committing a crime?

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 

Well, we have no idea if there's a disclaimer in the magazine as it's not out yet. (which Kotaku does mention)



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Kasz216 on 21 April 2010
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
thelifatree said:
Kasz216 said:
I'm baffled that so many tie ins were done... and the only thing people can think to do is bash Kotaku.

I mean... this doesn't interest anybody? That they clearly have financial motivations for the game doing well?

I'm just saying it's the same as with all the hyped games in magazines in america as well. GTA4, Halo, ETC Because the magazines get lots of advertising from the publishers of those games.

 

The product placement, was because kojima thought it was funny, and he wanted money. if it irritates you enough to buy it, then don't buy it.

I'll put it this way.

Goldman Sachs was just charged by the SEC of a crime.  That crime was talking up some securities to investors, which were going to default and they were going to pay off for one of their clients.

This is essentially the same thing.

Wasn't that where they bet against themselves to make money? Then mislead there investors or something. I dont remember exactly


The only question is whether they bought the scores or not. Which I think, Games like GTA4, HALO, and MGS probably do anyways, when MGS2 came out they were, bitch bitch bitch score = 10

even though i thought it was that good.

I am just saying reviews on websites or magazines aren't credible, because they get advertising, and companies can pull advertising, interviews, first looks if they don't like the press from that site. Therefore, reviews, whcih are opinions and the first place, can be even more subjective.

That would be what would Famitsu is giving the impression that they've done.

 

As for not trusting ANY site because of the possibility of advertising getting pulled... yeah they could threaten to pull advertising... and that magazine/website could report it... and get a lot of free publicity.

Heck look at the hell that was raised when reviewers got sent the Halo 360s.

Like I mean, they mislead investors.

EVERY damn magazine in the USA mislead me because GTAIV wasn't very good. therefore, every magazine in america is committing a crime?

Every magazine in the USA did NOT mislead you.

Just like how Goldman Sachs isn't charged with a crime every time a stock loses money.

Goldman Sachs was only charged when they INTENTIONALLY misled.

Famitsu is giving at the very least... the perception of intentionally misleading people.  In my opinion, any review staff would put a huge disclaimer on the review regarding that.   Even if they gave it there honest score.

 

They did if they were influenced by money $. The only thing Famitsu did was make it more suspicious.

The conflict of interest could be applied to advertising for games in a gaming magazine as I've been saying. This is just to a more so extent.

Obviously Famitsu has everything to lose, As a review, is subjective in the first place, there is  no possible way to prove it unless, there is an Email found from from to Famitsu saying. And even then I don't think it will even be a risk, as I doubt Famitsu will be the only place to give it a perfect score (even if the game sucks)

Like I mean, I have the perception that every magazine is misleading me, so really, thats why I'm arguing this, nothing changed.

But, if you had a different perception then I guess I can see that.

Once again, there is a HUGE difference from a minor affiliation "advertising".

And a Major affiliation... directly paying the higherups of a company for sometheing.


As for every website and magazine being influenced by advertiser money... there are plenty of reviewers here you can talk to and still see if you believe that to be true.