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Wlakiz said:
Netyaroze said:
Wlakiz said:
dsister44 said:
Wlakiz said:

1. I am saying they can ban you the moment you logon regardless of your ip

2. Good to know

3. Thats the risk you take

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Digital_rights_management :"Since keys can be revoked in newer releases, this is only a temporary attack, and new keys must continually be discovered in order to decrypt the latest discs. This cat and mouse game has gone through several cycles."

Of course I'm not going to log in with the same account every time

3. The more I think about this the more I think that they can't do it. If any of the big 3 decide that I am not allowed to play a game that I pay for then I am sueing 

4. I believe this is why you need to update your firmware. Whenever I play a blu-ray movie it says that I need to have the latest firmware or else it will have problems playing. This should be fixed with cfw. If we ever get any =p

I highly doubt they can use the code to prevent my PS3 from playing blu-rays 

 

Well its more or less if they blacklist your PS3's keys, it'll prevent you from playing any future BDs.. but whatever, you can still hug your otherOS.

 

Sorry I have to ask:

 

You assume that every PS3 or Bluray player has its own unique key no other PS3/Bluray player has ?

 

And if Sony blacklisted your individual key from your PS3 they gona put it on a blacklist and your PS3 key will be pressed on every single  new released disc ? 

I never heard of that and I was truly surprised first.  I googled a bit but I found literally nothing about a person who was blacklisted by sony and cant play new bluray releases. Then I read the link. (I should have read the link first)

 

 

Indeed I understood the wikipedia article in a totally different way. I cant make the connection between:

 

 "The Advanced Access Content System (AACS) is a standard for content distribution and digital rights management. It was developed by AS Licensing Administrator, LLC (AACS LA), a consortium that includes DisneyIntelMicrosoftPanasonicWarner Bros.IBMToshiba, andSony.

Since appearing in devices in 2006, several successful attacks have been made on the format. The first known attack relied on the trusted clientproblem. In addition, decryption keys have been extracted from a weakly protected player (WinDVD). Since keys can be revoked in newer releases,[86] this is only a temporary attack, and new keys must continually be discovered in order to decrypt the latest discs. This cat-and-mouse game has gone through several cycles.

 "

 

And:

 

"Well its more or less if they blacklist your PS3's keys, it'll prevent you from playing any future BDs.. but whatever, you can still hug your otherOS."

 

 

 

This has nothing to do with the bluray player or the PS3 this has something to do with pirating bluray discs.

 

See those decryption keys are on the disc itself and in order to decrypt (and pirate) the disc you need those keys if you extract them you are able to copy the disc. They make new keys all the time and the pirates have to get them in order to copy the disc. This is the cat and mouse game There is no blacklist and your PS3 has not an individual Bluray key, so that Sony can put this single key on a blacklist and press it on all new bluray releases.  

 

 

To the CFW:

 

Sony made a mistake with the removal of Linux first because they will get in trouble atleast in some countries mainly EU and Australia. They probably hope nobody will sue them. In europe they would lose but the problem is it costs a lot to make lawsuite and it takes time and there is probably noone willing to sue Sony because of that. And Sony knows that.

 

I am not mad at them but I do understand if people are upset about it. You cant punish hundreds of thousend customers because someone said he hacked the PS3.

 

 

This "CFW" is not like an usual CFW. They havent deleted OOS Functionality yet they just disabled it. Geohot has switched it on again he has done it with using files of the old FW, this isnt a true CFW. Its not comparable to any CFW out there and can barely be called a CFW. Thats why he wrote my "custom firmware" and not my custom firmware.

 

If Sony takes out the whole functionality in the next FW everything is gone and we wont see a OOS FW a long time. Sony was playing it safe probably because they feared lawsuites so they wait some weeks or months too see peoples reactions, they will probably delete it completly nexttime if its not in the FW at all nobody can activate it. Unless you truly make a custom FW but thats a whole lot of work and will take some time maybe next year.

 

Thats why he said theoretically you could enable OOS on Slims too because they have also just the OtherOS switch on 

 

 

 

Sony has yet to blacklist anyone's PS3's key is strictly because PS3 hasn't been hacked to play bootlegged disc yet. In any case, I don't think you understand the technology to begin with. Blu-ray disc information are encrypted they need a decryption key to decrypt the information. 'Piraters' collect legit keys from players and use them to decrypt the blu-ray discs to watch and copy Region locked movies.  These keys that they collect can be 'revoked' such that they can no longer be used to read the disc anymore and that means the legit player that the pirate took the keys from can't be used watch new movies anymore.

Each PS3 have their own unique key stored in hardware. They use this key to decrypt the blu-ray discs. If the key gets revoked, that particular PS3 can't decrypt the new movies anymore because it got blacklisted. Here is an article about how a PS3 decrypts information http://www.vmecritical.com/articles/id/?2035

 

 

Thanks for that!



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Wlakiz said:

 

Yes because this situation doesn't also affect users 6-12 months from now when games will start coming out requiring that version of firmware or higher in any way whatsoever. Seriously do you even engage your brain at all before letting your fingers go nuts on the keyboard?


Game developers and movie producers don't have to incoporate new firmware requirements for thier movies and games; yet they would because it protects them piracy.
The fact is, sony is not removing the otherOS, instead they are removing their support for PS3 that has the OtherOS. The bottom line is basically, you are choosing to get your future support from third party group via OtherOS, or you can stick with Sony (but lose otherOS) and get support from them.

Except that Sony have advertised that their system will be able to run PS3 games and blu ray movies at the time of sale. This is what  the  Sony sycophants fail to grasp. The problem isn't that Sony removed features, it's that they did it AFTER it had been marketted and purchased by consumers.

 

Actually it's an advertised feature, seriously, pull your head out of Sony's backside before you post next time.

Which is why Microsoft can't pull the plug on the Xbox online service... oh wait..

 

Actually depending on what Microsoft had said, it could also be grounds for litigation in countries where those actions could be proven to breach that country's consumer protection laws.

 

 



xrobx said:
i went and got a used ps3 slim off a guy that was in need of cash for 100 bucks, pretty much brand new. so this will be the ps3 i use for games. i will now be using my launch 60gb ps3 for ps2, ps1, linux, dvd and blu-ray playing. and i'm really looking forward to trying out 3.21OO. sony really pissed me off by trying to take linux from me, i've already decided i will be buying all my games and accessories pre-owned so they don't make any money off of them, and i hope they get hacked hard.

 

I think its the right thing to do to stop encouraging Sony when you can if you were using "otherOS". I encourage you to stand by your words and purchase pre-owned stuffs, thats your right as a consumer. But stop saying they took away Linux from you, its not true. What they took away from you is PSN, PSN is their own, its a free bonus they offer, they can close their server or restrict access anytime they want. Its you that willfully remove "otherOS" in order to keep PSN. Its not a nice move so I understand you dont want to encourage them. But when we place things in perspective they did not force you to remove "otherOS".



Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
i went and got a used ps3 slim off a guy that was in need of cash for 100 bucks, pretty much brand new. so this will be the ps3 i use for games. i will now be using my launch 60gb ps3 for ps2, ps1, linux, dvd and blu-ray playing. and i'm really looking forward to trying out 3.21OO. sony really pissed me off by trying to take linux from me, i've already decided i will be buying all my games and accessories pre-owned so they don't make any money off of them, and i hope they get hacked hard.

yeah you show them, if you really want to hurt them you could just buy a bunch of PS3s, since they lose money on each one.

i thought about that too since they lose 40 bucks per console, but that would just boost their sales numbers and make their stock go up... i'll stick with pre-owned



i will always stay cold

I don't like all this talk about how they aren't taking "Other OS" away because you don't have to upgrade. I agree 100% that nobody has a right to PSN, but we do have a right to "Other OS." We also have a right to play PS3 games on blu-ray disc and blu-ray movies because that's what we paid for when we bought our systems. Once a game comes out that requires a firmware version that removes "Other OS" then they have breached their contract with the consumer, imho.



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xrobx said:
Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
i went and got a used ps3 slim off a guy that was in need of cash for 100 bucks, pretty much brand new. so this will be the ps3 i use for games. i will now be using my launch 60gb ps3 for ps2, ps1, linux, dvd and blu-ray playing. and i'm really looking forward to trying out 3.21OO. sony really pissed me off by trying to take linux from me, i've already decided i will be buying all my games and accessories pre-owned so they don't make any money off of them, and i hope they get hacked hard.

yeah you show them, if you really want to hurt them you could just buy a bunch of PS3s, since they lose money on each one.

i thought about that too since they lose 40 bucks per console, but that would just boost their sales numbers and make their stock go up... i'll stick with pre-owned

You just arent a hardcore rebel then,  supporting the pre-owned business can actually help Sony.  The people who sell their used game do so to buy new ones most of the time.  SO in turn you are helping that.

But anyway, down with the big corporations that provide these wonderful gaming experiences!!!!!!!  RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE



Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
i went and got a used ps3 slim off a guy that was in need of cash for 100 bucks, pretty much brand new. so this will be the ps3 i use for games. i will now be using my launch 60gb ps3 for ps2, ps1, linux, dvd and blu-ray playing. and i'm really looking forward to trying out 3.21OO. sony really pissed me off by trying to take linux from me, i've already decided i will be buying all my games and accessories pre-owned so they don't make any money off of them, and i hope they get hacked hard.

yeah you show them, if you really want to hurt them you could just buy a bunch of PS3s, since they lose money on each one.

i thought about that too since they lose 40 bucks per console, but that would just boost their sales numbers and make their stock go up... i'll stick with pre-owned

You just arent a hardcore rebel then,  supporting the pre-owned business can actually help Sony.  The people who sell their used game do so to buy new ones most of the time.  SO in turn you are helping that.

But anyway, down with the big corporations that provide these wonderful gaming experiences!!!!!!!  RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Actually if anything it's more a case of sending said corporations a message that we have no problem with them trying to maximise their profits and their own interests- they're corporations, that comes with the territory. However at the same time, consumers have rights which need to be repsected and countries have laws which must be adhered to if they are to business in them, and they can't just circumvent said laws and rights just because it doesn't fit into the quick and easy solution when trouble starts brewing.

 

Noone here who has complained about the removal of the otherOS has had a problem with Sony wanting to protect their own interests- the problem has been the way they went about it and the fact that that way completely flew in the face of both business ethics and consumer protection laws in various countries.



bowspearer said:
Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
i went and got a used ps3 slim off a guy that was in need of cash for 100 bucks, pretty much brand new. so this will be the ps3 i use for games. i will now be using my launch 60gb ps3 for ps2, ps1, linux, dvd and blu-ray playing. and i'm really looking forward to trying out 3.21OO. sony really pissed me off by trying to take linux from me, i've already decided i will be buying all my games and accessories pre-owned so they don't make any money off of them, and i hope they get hacked hard.

yeah you show them, if you really want to hurt them you could just buy a bunch of PS3s, since they lose money on each one.

i thought about that too since they lose 40 bucks per console, but that would just boost their sales numbers and make their stock go up... i'll stick with pre-owned

You just arent a hardcore rebel then,  supporting the pre-owned business can actually help Sony.  The people who sell their used game do so to buy new ones most of the time.  SO in turn you are helping that.

But anyway, down with the big corporations that provide these wonderful gaming experiences!!!!!!!  RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Actually if anything it's more a case of sending said corporations a message that we have no problem with them trying to maximise their profits and their own interests- they're corporations, that comes with the territory. However at the same time, consumers have rights which need to be repsected and countries have laws which must be adhered to if they are to business in them, and they can't just circumvent said laws and rights just because it doesn't fit into the quick and easy solution when trouble starts brewing.

 

Noone here who has complained about the removal of the otherOS has had a problem with Sony wanting to protect their own interests- the problem has been the way they went about it and the fact that that way completely flew in the face of both business ethics and consumer protection laws in various countries.

If these rights have been violated where are the lawsuits?   With the way lawyers work now-a-days, they should have already had them started.



klystron said:
I don't like all this talk about how they aren't taking "Other OS" away because you don't have to upgrade. I agree 100% that nobody has a right to PSN, but we do have a right to "Other OS." We also have a right to play PS3 games on blu-ray disc and blu-ray movies because that's what we paid for when we bought our systems. Once a game comes out that requires a firmware version that removes "Other OS" then they have breached their contract with the consumer, imho.

 

They will not require you to ever uninstall "otherOS" to play a normal PS3 game or regular blu ray movie. If they do, then youll be able to sue them and win. Obviously they dont want to get sued so its not going to happen. So no they arent taking "otherOS" unless they force you in upgrading to a firmware that remove "otherOS" to play a regular PS3 game. Between, if you want to play a PSmove game or 3D games then im sure youll have to remove "otherOS", but those extended free features wasnt part of your purchase, legally its all good.



Vetteman94 said:
bowspearer said:
Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
Vetteman94 said:
xrobx said:
i went and got a used ps3 slim off a guy that was in need of cash for 100 bucks, pretty much brand new. so this will be the ps3 i use for games. i will now be using my launch 60gb ps3 for ps2, ps1, linux, dvd and blu-ray playing. and i'm really looking forward to trying out 3.21OO. sony really pissed me off by trying to take linux from me, i've already decided i will be buying all my games and accessories pre-owned so they don't make any money off of them, and i hope they get hacked hard.

yeah you show them, if you really want to hurt them you could just buy a bunch of PS3s, since they lose money on each one.

i thought about that too since they lose 40 bucks per console, but that would just boost their sales numbers and make their stock go up... i'll stick with pre-owned

You just arent a hardcore rebel then,  supporting the pre-owned business can actually help Sony.  The people who sell their used game do so to buy new ones most of the time.  SO in turn you are helping that.

But anyway, down with the big corporations that provide these wonderful gaming experiences!!!!!!!  RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Actually if anything it's more a case of sending said corporations a message that we have no problem with them trying to maximise their profits and their own interests- they're corporations, that comes with the territory. However at the same time, consumers have rights which need to be repsected and countries have laws which must be adhered to if they are to business in them, and they can't just circumvent said laws and rights just because it doesn't fit into the quick and easy solution when trouble starts brewing.

 

Noone here who has complained about the removal of the otherOS has had a problem with Sony wanting to protect their own interests- the problem has been the way they went about it and the fact that that way completely flew in the face of both business ethics and consumer protection laws in various countries.

If these rights have been violated where are the lawsuits?   With the way lawyers work now-a-days, they should have already had them started.

Actually, the ACCC looks like it's currently building a case against Sony.