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Scoobes on 01 May 2010
Kantor said:
Scoobes said:
bazmeistergen said:
Cameron started well, but was evasive when pressed.

He also claimed to have answered Clegg on the 80% point, but had evaded it.

It is interesting how people basically think the person that 'won' is who they favour in the first place. Of course a few of you on hear think Cameron won, despite the clear weaknesses he had.

Personally, I thought it was pretty poor from Cameron, though he had some strong moments. Clegg, was occasionally by-passed, but had some strong moments (possibly the best speech at the end) and Brown, too, had good moments, but was very negative at the end in terms of the fear message.

They are all hypocrites, however. And that annoys me.

The bolded is very true, and I think these debates have made that abundantly clear. That and the fact that Brown really is an idiot.

Clegg seemed a bit too evasive at times and his debating style has become a bit too well-known now. Even I'm noticing the tactics he's employing and he repeated the same things for each debate; personalising each question given and answering the questioner directly whilst playing the whole "We haven't been in power for years" card a bit too much.

Cameron's improved over the 3 debates but could have and should have answered some of the questions better, especially when both Brown and Clegg put questions to him on the economy and Tory policies.

Brown seemed desperately negative and basically said, "I suck, but these 2 suck more!", and kept asking the same questions... which the other 2 had already answered. Anyone notice the nervous lip quivers in the middle?

And all 3 outright lied about there opponents policies.

Now who do I vote for?

Politicians lying? Surely, you jest!

A politician standing for election has two jobs:

1) Make his party look good

2) Make the other parties look bad.

Being a little dishonest is normal.

Vote for the one whose policies you agree with most. Ignore their speaking style, confidence, quality of dress and honesty about opponent's policies, because at the end of the day, when you vote, you are saying "I want this person to run the country for 4-5 years".

OK, point taken... but they're all so bad at it!




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FootballFan on 01 May 2010

Brown got heckled today in the Labour stronghold of Sunderland. A change of tactics by the PM, deciding to go to places where they were guaranteed victory anyway and not marginal seats. Perhaps a sign of weakness.

The Times and Guardian have also changed alliances, Conservative and LibDems respectively.



SciFiBoy on 02 May 2010

 

right, this is interesting, the Conservatives have an alliance with the UUP (Ulster Unionist Party) a party in Northern Ireland, according to one poll on the BBC News yesterday, this may allow them a majourity, im curious how poeple would feel about them forcing through legislation that affects all the UK with the help of the UUP? sounds pretty dodgy to me...

@ Kowenicki - you pro-devolution? or just Scottish/Welsh independence?



Pyro as Bill on 02 May 2010
kowenicki said:
I would like to urge all Scots and Welsh (those still living in their own countries) to vote SNP or Plaid Cymru.

I hope they win their respective regions and therfore dump Labour out of the national scene in a big way.



SNP in power in Scotland while the Conservatives are in a majority for the whole UK should increase the chance of Scottish independence quite nicely.



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Pyro as Bill on 02 May 2010

@SciFi

Is it fair that Gordon Brown can bring in legislation for England that doesn't effect him or his constituency?



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SciFiBoy on 02 May 2010
kowenicki said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

right, this is interesting, the Conservatives have an alliance with the UUP (Ulster Unionist Party) a party in Northern Ireland, according to one poll on the BBC News yesterday, this may allow them a majourity, im curious how poeple would feel about them forcing through legislation that affects all the UK with the help of the UUP? sounds pretty dodgy to me...

@ Kowenicki - you pro-devolution? or just Scottish/Welsh independence?


I want to give people the choice.

I sincerely hope that particularly the Scottish and the Wesh opt for their own parties and eventually get a vote on independence

Whatever any Scot or Welsh person says... they are subsidised to the hilt and it is beyond a joke.

As far as the UUP is concerned and an alliance, it has as much validity as any other alliance as long as we have one parliament governing the whole of the UK... you cant have it both ways.

 

I think they should have the choice too, I just wondered what you thought.

from what ive been reading online, the UUP will be lucky to get 3 seats, so im not sure what the BBC were on about yesterday, unless the Conservatives are 2 short of a majority, its not gonna help them.



SciFiBoy on 02 May 2010
Pyro as Bill said:
@SciFi

Is it fair that Gordon Brown can bring in legislation for England that doesn't effect him or his constituency?

I think its pretty questionable that MP's that represent Scotland or Norhtern Ireland can vote on legislation that affets ONLY England, that never made sense to me, stuff that affects all of the UK or there member nation, fine, but when its not gonna affect them, only another nation, thats pretty questionable imo



Pyro as Bill on 02 May 2010

Questionable? It's illegal in my opinion.

The West Lothian Question should have come to a head when Gordon ousted Tony. How can Gordon talk about health, education and law and order when he has no power over those matters in his own constituency?

Why the Tories haven't made more of this I dont know.



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SciFiBoy on 02 May 2010
Pyro as Bill said:
Questionable? It's illegal in my opinion.

The West Lothian Question should have come to a head when Gordon ousted Tony. How can Gordon talk about health, education and law and order when he has no power over those matters in his own constituency?

Why the Tories haven't made more of this I dont know.

what are the parties positions on Devolution and things like this? I dont actually know, anyone got a link to stuff about it?



Pyro as Bill on 02 May 2010
kowenicki said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Questionable? It's illegal in my opinion.

The West Lothian Question should have come to a head when Gordon ousted Tony. How can Gordon talk about health, education and law and order when he has no power over those matters in his own constituency?

Why the Tories haven't made more of this I dont know.


I'd agree with you.

its electoral fraud, its probably against human rights (most things are) and it is just plain wrong.

The only way out of it that I can see is an English Parliament which is defacto independence or abolishing the Scottish Parliament which again will piss the Scots off enough that they'll vote for independence.

I just hope everybody remembers it was Labour that started the breakup of the UK.



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