By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - Why the world still needs nuclear weapons

MontanaHatchet said:

I think it's pretty silly to disable nuclear weapons when the U.S. spent so much time and money building them in the first place. Why even get rid of them at all? It's a waste. Even if the U.S. gets rid of half its nukes, it will still have enough to bomb every country in the world about 10 times over. So why bother? Just keep them and don't use them.

You just gave me the best idea!  We should sell them to other countries and pay off the national debt!!  It's genious!!



Around the Network
trashleg said:
leo-j said:

the world is corrupt

tru dat.

on the whole, this world is f.d up pretty bad.

 

i hate the fact that nuclear bombs even exist, but as long as nobody goes making any more or actually using them, i think we'll be fine... fingers crossed, boys!

Pakistan is building two reactors to create more weapons grade fuel, and a third to recycle existing reactor fuel into weapons grade plutonium.  One of those reactors started spewing steam a couple of weeks ago, indicating early production stages.

They do not deny an increase in nuclear weapons production, citing a US deal with India's civilian reactors to sell fuel, thereby freeing up more Indian reactors for weapons production.

Meanwhile, China and Russia are both upgrading their delivery systems, thereby increasing the danger posed by and lethality of their nuclear weapons.  Of the major powers, only Barack Obama appears to have promised not to upgrade delivery systems (this essentially means creating better MIRV missles, stealthy submarines and hardened silos BTW) whilst simultaneously reducing spending on missile defense.

At this point I might also add that despite his big conference this week on nuclear security, in his first year Barack Obama actually reduced US spending on securing existing weapons grade nuclear material around the world by $25 million.

Edit:  So as you said, fingers crossed.



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

MontanaHatchet said:

I think it's pretty silly to disable nuclear weapons when the U.S. spent so much time and money building them in the first place. Why even get rid of them at all? It's a waste. Even if the U.S. gets rid of half its nukes, it will still have enough to bomb every country in the world about 10 times over. So why bother? Just keep them and don't use them.

Because it is incredibly expensive to maintain them. 

The USA could probably make do with a very well maintained 500 nuclear warheads, around a twentieth of the number it currently possesses (Note: Only half of the USA's arsenal is considered "Active").

Even with high spending on fantastic deliver systems, the cost would be a FRACTION of current nuclear weapons maintenance spending.

Edit: Current US spending on nuclear weapons and related programs is upwards of $50 billion per year.



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

Actually, when we are thinking about peace, everyone should have nukes. It makes no sense to attack someone who can destroy you with a single press of a button.

Other than that, i find the nuke disarming only PR, since what's the difference if you can destroy the world only 5 times, opposed to the ten times you could earlier. Nothing. That's why they are doing it (other than that, it's expensive to keep a huge nuke arsenal).



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

mrstickball said:
Samus Aran said:


Nuclear weapons have done more for peace then any other peace treaties combined. In fact, all peace treaties do is cause more wars >_>

Without nuclear weapons there would have been an all out war with the Soviet union vs United states and it's allies. Biggest battleground? Probably Europe again.

Now only Vietnam, Afghanistan and North Korea got fucked up.

To be fair, America didn't lose those war - the politicians did.

American wars are usually PR battles, not strategic ones. In Vietnam, we lost because we had a president that (litterally) got together with staff members to pick out which targets to strike. When you put a war in the hands of the president, staff, and such and not in the hands of generals, tacticians and the soldiers, you will lose the war. By comparison, when Nixon was elected, and initiated Linebacker 2, we crippled Vietnam in a matter of months, and almost won the war (had popular opinion not of been soured by then, Vietnam would be Democratic).

Afghanistan is the same way - we don't want to risk any civilian lives, so our targets are strategically limited. Think about the great wars - WW1, WW2 - do you think FDR or Churchill forced our military to limit strikes to areas that had no civilians?

But as you said, nukes have been very great at deterring forces. Had we not of developed the bomb, Europe may of been in shambles again, since the Soviets had much larger/better ground forces in Europe during the cold war.

 

Nukes are a needed evil. The destruction of millions of people in the blink of an eye is a horrendous idea. But so is the thought of conventional wars between superpowers that fear no decicive war-ending weapon.

Look at WW2 - had it not of been for our usage of nukes on Japan, the outcome would of likely been worse - much worse. An invasion of Japan would have rendered Japan even weaker economically, with millions more dead Japanese and Americans in the war - not to mention shifting geopolitical problems which may have caused even more issues after we'd beaten the Japanese conventionally.

I'm talking about Afghanistan during the cold war. The Russians attacked it and the taliban and USA combined forces(USA giving money to support the taliban, not sending troops) repelled Russia.

And I know how the USA lost the war in Vietnam, but thanks for telling me :) 

And the outcome of the war without nuclear weapons would have only been worse for America by the way. Germany was already defeated and "peace" was back to Europe. 

The USA had to option to do another "D-day" with or without help of the Russians. They obviously chose the other option to nuke it. Pretty good choice because another D-day would have resulted in a massive loss of lives for both sides and they would need help from Russia aka increasing their influence. Even back then it was obvious that USSR and the USA would collide.



Around the Network

Quite true =)



                                  

                                       That's Gordon Freeman in "Real-Life"
 

 

That's what happened throughout the world war, even as I don't want any bloodshed still



                                  

                                       That's Gordon Freeman in "Real-Life"
 

 

starcraft said:
MontanaHatchet said:

I think it's pretty silly to disable nuclear weapons when the U.S. spent so much time and money building them in the first place. Why even get rid of them at all? It's a waste. Even if the U.S. gets rid of half its nukes, it will still have enough to bomb every country in the world about 10 times over. So why bother? Just keep them and don't use them.

Because it is incredibly expensive to maintain them. 

The USA could probably make do with a very well maintained 500 nuclear warheads, around a twentieth of the number it currently possesses (Note: Only half of the USA's arsenal is considered "Active").

Even with high spending on fantastic deliver systems, the cost would be a FRACTION of current nuclear weapons maintenance spending.

Edit: Current US spending on nuclear weapons and related programs is upwards of $50 billion per year.

Wow, thats over twice Australias entire budget for the military (which is 24 billion aussie according to wikipedia). Pretty crazy.



FaRmLaNd said:
starcraft said:
MontanaHatchet said:

I think it's pretty silly to disable nuclear weapons when the U.S. spent so much time and money building them in the first place. Why even get rid of them at all? It's a waste. Even if the U.S. gets rid of half its nukes, it will still have enough to bomb every country in the world about 10 times over. So why bother? Just keep them and don't use them.

Because it is incredibly expensive to maintain them. 

The USA could probably make do with a very well maintained 500 nuclear warheads, around a twentieth of the number it currently possesses (Note: Only half of the USA's arsenal is considered "Active").

Even with high spending on fantastic deliver systems, the cost would be a FRACTION of current nuclear weapons maintenance spending.

Edit: Current US spending on nuclear weapons and related programs is upwards of $50 billion per year.

Wow, thats over twice Australias entire budget for the military (which is 24 billion aussie according to wikipedia). Pretty crazy.

Currently, we spend 19% of our federal budget in military spending. That number should be closer to 90%. Defending our country from others is the one thing the federal government should be doing. The rest should be spent at a state level.

So imo, we spend way to much on the military. We should cut that spending (but not with respect to nukes), cut almost all the other spending, collect far less taxes at a federal level, and if states want to collect more taxes and run social programs, that's up to them.

 



TheRealMafoo said:
FaRmLaNd said:
starcraft said:
MontanaHatchet said:

I think it's pretty silly to disable nuclear weapons when the U.S. spent so much time and money building them in the first place. Why even get rid of them at all? It's a waste. Even if the U.S. gets rid of half its nukes, it will still have enough to bomb every country in the world about 10 times over. So why bother? Just keep them and don't use them.

Because it is incredibly expensive to maintain them. 

The USA could probably make do with a very well maintained 500 nuclear warheads, around a twentieth of the number it currently possesses (Note: Only half of the USA's arsenal is considered "Active").

Even with high spending on fantastic deliver systems, the cost would be a FRACTION of current nuclear weapons maintenance spending.

Edit: Current US spending on nuclear weapons and related programs is upwards of $50 billion per year.

Wow, thats over twice Australias entire budget for the military (which is 24 billion aussie according to wikipedia). Pretty crazy.

Currently, we spend 19% of our federal budget in military spending. That number should be closer to 90%. Defending our country from others is the one thing the federal government should be doing. The rest should be spent at a state level.

So imo, we spend way to much on the military. We should cut that spending (but not with respect to nukes), cut almost all the other spending, collect far less taxes at a federal level, and if states want to collect more taxes and run social programs, that's up to them.

 

Absolutely correct. America doesn't need to spend the amount of money it does to defend itself. Hell Australia is pretty much untouchable by everyone outside of some of our allies (USA, Britain) and we have next to no people in a comparable landmass.