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CommonMan on 08 April 2010
mrstickball said:
CommonMan said:
mrstickball said:
 

Compared to Obama, though, what has Bush done that was anti-homosexual? I can't think of anything that Obama has done other than look into repealing the 'don't ask don't tell policy'

Didn't he bring up changing the constitution to include "marraige defined as man and woman" wording? He was at least supportive of it. I don't care what you think about this, that sort of thing doesn't need a freakin' amendment. The neo-cons were in power in many states during the Bush tenure and carried a lot of weight nationally as well. One of the platforms that was pushed over and over again was limiting homosexual couples rights. In Arkansas, for example, single people can no longer adopt children. This was never a problem until more recently when homosexual couples started adopting more and more children. So, you have to be married to adopt, and you have to be straight to marry so well, you have a nice roundabout way to stop homosexuals from adopting. Due to the general tenor of the national discussion during the Bush era, these type of changes were much easier.

Didn't Clinton as well?

As for your issue in Arkansas, that is a state issue, not a federal issue. Comparatively, I could cite the legalization of homosexual marriage in MA, CT and NH during Bush's tenure as progress. In fact, the first legal homosexual marriages in the US were under Bush's presidency. So I believe your argument is totally moot.

It's entirely possible, I'm super sensitive about this subject and I may have just been reacting to rhetoric, but the general feeling of the time seemed very unfriendly to homosexuals.



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mrstickball on 08 April 2010
CommonMan said:
mrstickball said:
CommonMan said:
mrstickball said:
 

Compared to Obama, though, what has Bush done that was anti-homosexual? I can't think of anything that Obama has done other than look into repealing the 'don't ask don't tell policy'

Didn't he bring up changing the constitution to include "marraige defined as man and woman" wording? He was at least supportive of it. I don't care what you think about this, that sort of thing doesn't need a freakin' amendment. The neo-cons were in power in many states during the Bush tenure and carried a lot of weight nationally as well. One of the platforms that was pushed over and over again was limiting homosexual couples rights. In Arkansas, for example, single people can no longer adopt children. This was never a problem until more recently when homosexual couples started adopting more and more children. So, you have to be married to adopt, and you have to be straight to marry so well, you have a nice roundabout way to stop homosexuals from adopting. Due to the general tenor of the national discussion during the Bush era, these type of changes were much easier.

Didn't Clinton as well?

As for your issue in Arkansas, that is a state issue, not a federal issue. Comparatively, I could cite the legalization of homosexual marriage in MA, CT and NH during Bush's tenure as progress. In fact, the first legal homosexual marriages in the US were under Bush's presidency. So I believe your argument is totally moot.

It's entirely possible, I'm super sensitive about this subject and I may have just been reacting to rhetoric, but the general feeling of the time seemed very unfriendly to homosexuals.

To be fair, I don't think that there was a time period in America prior to Bush's presidency that was any more gay-friendly. Its only been since Bush that we've had any sort of legal consent to homosexual unions or marriage. I think its more perception than reality. DOMA was ratified in 1996, which was under Clinton and 85-14 in favor of the bill.



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Slimebeast on 08 April 2010

lol @ Eurobama.



halogamer1989 on 08 April 2010

Here's the thing: the VAT will be added and not used as a substitute a la a Fair/Flat tax which I could support. Added taxes in a recession are hindering variables that allow for prolonged and deeper fiscal crisis--a middle class tax hike; higher taxes on the wealthy (capital gains increases, estate (death) tax increases; and increases in retirement age is next, imo.

I love how Obama and the Dem goons on the Hill LOVE to touch third rails in a midterm. In the end, 2012 can't get here sooner.



mrstickball on 08 April 2010
halogamer1989 said:
Here's the thing: the VAT will be added and not used as a substitute a la a Fair/Flat tax which I could support. Added taxes in a recession are hindering variables that allow for prolonged and deeper fiscal crisis--a middle class tax hike; higher taxes on the wealthy (capital gains increases, estate (death) tax increases; and increases in retirement age is next, imo.

I love how Obama and the Dem goons on the Hill LOVE to touch third rails in a midterm. In the end, 2012 can't get here sooner.

Who cares about 2012? 2010 is this year, and if things happen the way they look, then it'll be much more difficult to pass insane legislation.



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halogamer1989 on 08 April 2010
mrstickball said:
halogamer1989 said:
Here's the thing: the VAT will be added and not used as a substitute a la a Fair/Flat tax which I could support. Added taxes in a recession are hindering variables that allow for prolonged and deeper fiscal crisis--a middle class tax hike; higher taxes on the wealthy (capital gains increases, estate (death) tax increases; and increases in retirement age is next, imo.

I love how Obama and the Dem goons on the Hill LOVE to touch third rails in a midterm. In the end, 2012 can't get here sooner.

Who cares about 2012? 2010 is this year, and if things happen the way they look, then it'll be much more difficult to pass insane legislation.

That's what I am counting on.  Still, I doubt Obama will pull a Clinton and triangulate after the GOP takes back the House and picks up 7+ in the Senate this Nov.  (and yes I am predicting this now ;) )

Maybe msb it is just my political analyst mind.

Btw, Romney should announce next Jan.



nordlead on 08 April 2010
theRepublic said:
nordlead said:

except in the US, we tax pretty much everything but food.

All food is taxed at about 5.5% where I live.  Are you sure there are no taxes on food where you live?

in NY, food that you buy and take home to prepare is not taxed. Food prepared for you to eat away from home (resturant, fast food, hot dog stand, and so on) is taxed. As a note, I just checked and clothes aren't charged state sales tax as of 2007, but some counties do charge sales tax. But honestly I rarely shop for clothes so I didn't notice the change




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